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HEARING  ON  THE  NOMINATION  OF  GEORGE  J.  TENET  TO  BE 
DEPUTY  DIREQOR  OF  CENTRAL  INTELUGENCE 


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SELECT  COMMITTEE  ON  INTELLIGENCE 

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UNITED  STATES  SENATE 

ONE  HUNDRED  FOURTH  CONGRESS 

FIRST  SESSION 

ON 

THE  NOMINATION  OF  GEORGE  J.  TENET 
TO  BE  DEPUTY  DIRECTOR  OF  CENTRAL  INTELLIGENCE 


WEDNESDAY,  JUNE  14,  1995 


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SELECT  COMMITTEE  ON  INTELLIGENCE 

OF  THE 

UNITED  STATES  SENATE 

ONE  HUNDRED  FOURTH  CONGRESS 

FIRST  SESSION 

ON 

THE  NOMINATION  OF  GEORGE  J.  TENET 
TO  BE  DEPUTY  DIRECTOR  OF  CENTRAL  INTELLIGENCE 


WEDNESDAY,  JUNE  14,  1995 


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SELECT  COMMITTEE  ON  INTELLIGENCE 

ARLEN  SPECTER,  Pennsylvania,  Chairman 
J.  ROBERT  KERREY,  Nebraska,  Vice  Chairman 
RICHARD  G.  LUGAR,  Indiana  JOHN  GLENN,  Ohio 

RICHARD  C.  SHELBY,  Alabama  RICHARD  H.  BRYAN,  Nevada 

MIKE  DeWINE,  Ohio  BOB  GRAHAM,  Florida 

JOHN  KYL,  Arizona  JOHN  F.  KERRY,  Massachusetts 

JAMES  M.  INHOFE,  Oklalioma  MAX  BAUCUS,  Montana 

KAY  BAILEY  HUTCHISON,  Texas  J.  BENNETT  JOHNSTON,  Louisiana 

CONNIE  MACK,  Florida  CHARLES  S.  ROBB,  Virginia 

WILLIAM  S.  COHEN,  Maine 

ROBERT  DOLE,  Kansas,  Ex  Officio 
THOMAS  A.  DASCHLE,  South  Dakota,  Ex  Officio 


Charles  Battaglia,  Staff  Director 

Christopher  C.  Straub,  Minority  Staff  Director 

Kathleen  P.  McGhee,  Chief  Clerk 

(II) 


CONTENTS 


Hearing  held  in  Washington,  DC:  Page 

Wednesday,  June  14,  1995 1 

Wednesday,  June  21,  1995,  vote  on  the  nomination  of  George  J.  Tenet 

to  be  Deputy  Director  of  Central  Intelligence  61 

Statement  of: 

Baucus,  Hon.  Max,  a  U.S.  Senator  from  the  State  of  Montana 26 

Boren,  Hon.  David  L.,  former  U.S.  Senator  from  the  State  of  Oklahoma  ...  6 

Cohen,  Hon.  William  S.,  a  U.S.  Senator  from  the  State  of  Maine  9 

Glenn,  Hon.  John,  a  U.S.  Senator  from  the  State  of  Ohio  3 

Inhofe,  Hon.  James  M.,  a  U.S.  Senator  from  the  State  of  Oklahoma  3 

Kerrey,  Hon.  J.  Robert,  a  U.S.  Senator  from  the  State  of  Nebraska  2 

Murkowski,  Hon.  Frank  H.,  a  U.S.  Senator  from  the  State  of  Alaska  5 

Nunn,  Hon.  Sam,  a  U.S.  Senator  from  the  State  of  Georgia  18 

Rudman,   Hon.   Warren,   former  U.S.   Senator  from  the  State  of  New 

Hampshire  8 

Sarbanes,  Hon.  Paul  S.,  a  U.S.  Senator  from  the  State  of  Maryland  4 

Shelby,  Hon.  Richard  C,  a  U.S.  Senator  from  the  State  of  Alabama  19 

Specter,  Hon.  Arlen,  a  U.S.  Senator  from  the  Commonwealth  of  Penn- 
sylvania    27 

Tenet,  George  J.,  nominee  to  be  Deputy  Director  of  Central  Intelligence  ...  10 
Testimony  of: 

Tenet,  George  J.,  nominee  to  be  Deputy  Director  of  Central  Intelligence  ...  13 
Supplemental  materials,  letters,  etc.: 

Financial  disclosure  statement  of  nominee  50 

Letter,  dated  May  22,   1995,  to  George  J.  Tenet  from  Senator  Specter 

and  Senator  Kerrey  30 

Letter,  dated  June  1,  1995,  from  George  J.  Tenet  to  Senator  Kerrey 31 

Letter,  dated  May  30,  1995,  to  the  Honorable  Arlen  Specter  from  Stephen 

D.  Potts,  Director  of  the  Office  of  Government  Ethics 29 

Questionnaire  for  completion  by  Presidential  nominees  32 

(HI) 


HEARING  ON  THE  NOMINATION  OF  GEORGE 
J.  TENET  TO  BE  DEPUTY  DIRECTOR  OF 
CENTRAL  INTELLIGENCE 


WEDNESDAY,  JUNE  14,  1995 

U.S.  Senate, 
Select  Committee  on  Intelligence, 

Washington,  DC. 

The  select  committee  met,  pursuant  to  notice,  at  2:06  p.m.,  in 
room  SD-562,  Dirksen  Senate  Office  Building,  Hon.  Arlen  Specter 
(chairman  of  the  committee)  presiding. 

Present:  Senators  Specter,  Shelby,  Kyi,  Inhofe,  Mack,  Cohen, 
Kerrey  of  Nebraska,  Glenn,  Graham  of  Florida,  and  Robb. 

Also  present:  Charles  Battaglia,  staff  director;  Chris  Straub,  mi- 
nority staff  director;  Suzanne  Spaulding,  chief  counsel;  and  Kath- 
leen McGhee,  chief  clerk. 

Chairman  SPECTER.  The  hearing  of  the  Senate  Intelligence  Com- 
mittee will  now  proceed  for  the  nomination  of  Mr.  George  J.  Tenet, 
who  comes  to  the  committee  after  a  very  distinguished  career  in 
public  service,  and  a  distinguished  academic  career.  He  has  served 
as  National  Security  Adviser  Anthony  Lake's  principal  intelligence 
adviser.  He  was  staff  director  for  the  Senate  Select  Committee  on 
Intelligence.  He  directed  the  committee's  oversight  of  arms  control 
negotiations  between  the  Soviet  Union  and  the  United  States,  and 
I  came  to  know  him  very  well  when  he  worked  with  my  colleague, 
the  late  Senator  John  Heinz,  for  more  than  3  years,  as  a  legislative 
assistant  covering  national  security  and  energy  issues. 

He  has  an  outstanding  academic  background.  In  1976,  received 
his  degree  from  the  School  of  Foreign  Service  at  Georgetown,  and 
a  masters  at  the  School  of  International  Affairs  at  Columbia  in 
1978. 

Mr.  Tenet  is  up  for  the  second  position  in  the  Central  Intel- 
ligence Agency,  which  is  a  position  of  enormous  importance,  with 
the  committee  recently  having  heard  from  Mr.  John  Deutch,  who 
is  now  the  director,  with  enormous  problems  facing  the  Agency. 
And  from  all  appearances,  Mr.  Tenet  comes  very  well  qualified  for 
this  important  position,  but  we  are  going  to  put  him  under  the  mi- 
croscope, as  is  the  practice  of  the  Senate. 

We  have  a  very  distinguished  group  of  Senators  and  former  Sen- 
ators here  to  introduce  Mr.  Tenet.  The  seniority  is  a  little  hard  to 
figure  out  here  with  those  present,  but  I  know  senior  to  all  is  the 
vice  chairman,  Senator  Kerrey. 

Vice  Chairman  Kerrey.  That  was  a  terrific  segue;  that  was 
great. 

(1) 


Thank  you  very  much,  Mr.  Chairman. 

I  as  well  join  you  in  welcoming  George  Tenet,  and  look  forward 
to  listening  to  his  testimony.  I  welcome  as  well  his  wife,  Stephanie, 
and  his  son,  John  Michael.  I  am  sure  they  are  both  very  proud  of 
their  husband  and  father. 

George  Tenet  is  returning  today  to  his  roots  in  the  legislative 
branch,  to  the  school  that  teaches  respect  for  the  people's  will  and 
respect  for  the  Constitution  as  the  living  instrument  of  our  free- 
dom. But  although  you  may  be  at  home  here  on  the  Hill,  you  are 
definitely  an  executive  branch  official.  You  have  been  the  Presi- 
dent's liaison  on  intelligence  matters  since  his  inauguration.  You 
have  occupied  a  key  position  in  the  chain  between  the  intelligence 
community  and  its  principal  customer.  When  the  President  wants 
an  intelligence  agency  to  do  something,  you  turn  the  President's  di- 
rective into  action.  Therefore,  it  is  your  executive  branch  experi- 
ence, even  more  than  your  accomplishments  on  the  staff  of  this 
committee,  that  makes  you  such  a  strong  candidate  for  this  post. 

You  have  not  managed  a  large  organization  before,  but  that 
doesn't  concern  me,  because  Director  Deutch  and  other  senior 
members  of  his  team  have  that  experience.  Your  management  style 
has  been  honed  in  smaller  organizations  which  have  had  to  turn 
out  high  quality  products  in  short  periods.  Flexibility  and  versa- 
tility have  been  the  hallmarks  of  your  organizations,  along  with  a 
requirement  to  cut  through  the  boilerplate,  get  to  the  bottom  line 
quickly,  and  accomplish  the  task.  So  your  management  experience 
and  style  are  just  what  the  doctor  has  ordered  for  a  large,  complex, 
and  somewhat  bureaucratic  intelligence  community. 

Should  you  be  confirmed,  my  advice  on  how  to  do  the  job  would 
be  summed  up  in  two  words:  be  yourself. 

Should  you  be  confirmed,  you  will  arrive  at  Langley  at  a  crucial 
time  for  the  Central  Intelligence  Agency  and  the  entire  community. 
Between  the  end  of  the  cold  war,  Ames,  Guatemala,  the  French 
flap,  sexual  discrimination,  and  the  commissions  and  committees 
planning  total  overhaul,  American  intelligence  is  besieged  as  never 
before.  The  atmosphere  of  criticism  overlooks  the  enormous  positive 
accomplishment  and  even  greater  potential  of  our  intelligence.  Our 
President  and  policymakers  know  most,  far  more  than  any  other 
world  leader  or  combination  of  world  leaders,  because  of  our  intel- 
ligence people  and  our  systems. 

Our  military  knows  more  about  potential  adversaries,  and  when 
they  go  in  harm's  way  they  are  better  warned  than  any  other  mili- 
tary in  the  world.  When  you  get  out  into  the  field,  as  I  am  able 
to  do,  and  see  what  our  intelligence  people  are  doing,  the  risks  they 
are  taking  for  our  country,  and  when  you  go  to  the  factories  and 
analytical  centers  and  see  the  collection  systems  and  the  people 
who  build  them  perfectly  and  see  the  information  our  analysts  de- 
rive from  those  systems — you  realize  the  national  treasure  we  pos- 
sess. 

The  task  we  share  is  to  make  this  instrument  even  more  relevant 
to  the  Nation's  needs  and  to  ensure  it  operates  in  accord  with  the 
Nation's  values.  On  the  administration  side  it  is  a  task  for  a  build- 
er, a  positive  person  who  is  not  shaken  by  the  occasional  headline. 
The  President  has  chosen  wisely,  in  my  judgment,  in  assigning  the 


task  to  John  Deutch,  and  I  believe  he  chose  wisely  as  well  in  as- 
signing George  Tenet  to  be  Mr.  Deutch's  deputy. 

Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Chairman  Specter.  Thank  you,  Senator  Kerrey. 

Senator  Glenn,  would  you  care  to  say  anything  as  an  opening 
statement? 

Senator  Glenn.  Mr.  Chairman,  thank  you. 

It  is  a  pleasure  to  be  here  today  and  have  George  before  us.  I 
first  came  to  know  George  when  I  was  appointed  to  serve  on  this 
committee  in  January  1989  and  he  was  the  staff  director.  And  in 
the  4  years  that  our  tenure  on  the  committee  overlapped,  I  always 
found  him  to  be  a  very  bright,  capable,  hardworking  and  conscien- 
tious individual.  And  yet,  despite  all  that,  he  was  never  dull.  [Gen- 
eral laughter.] 

As  committee  staff  director,  and  subsequently  as  a  member  of  the 
National  Security  Council  staff,  he  has  been  immersed  in  a  broad 
spectrum  of  complex  and  controversial  intelligence  issues.  And  I 
would  echo  what  Senator  Kerry  just  said.  I  think  John  Deutch  out 
there  has  had  experience  with  large  management  functions.  I  think 
you,  however,  George,  bring  a  level  of  expertise  in  the  field  directly 
to  bear  out  there,  that  is  going  to  be  extremely  valuable. 

It  has  been  my  observation  George  effectively  dealt  with  issues 
with  considerable  competence  and  professionalism.  His  ability  was 
demonstrated  during  the  committee's  approximately  6  month  con- 
firmation process  of  Robert  Gates  to  be  Director  of  Central  Intel- 
ligence in  1991.  Many  here  today  may  not  recall,  but  this  lengthy 
confirmation  process  underwent  extraordinary  public  scrutiny  and 
was  highly  contentious  within  the  committee — and  I  see  some 
heads  nodding  over  here. 

Indeed,  I  would  venture  to  say  that  the  Gates  confirmation  proc- 
ess was  one  of  the  most  significant  oversight  events  in  the  commit- 
tee's history.  And  I  was  quite  favorably  impressed  with  the  fair, 
thorough,  and  bipartisan  manner  in  which  George  dealt  with  the 
many  issues  and  allegations  raised  during  the  Gates  confirmation 
process.  It  was  a  very  difficult  time  for  everybody. 

I  am  confident  George  will  do  well  in  his  role  as  the  number  two 
manager  of  the  intelligence  community.  I  look  forward  to  discuss- 
ing his  vision  of  the  future  of  the  intelligence  community  at  this 
hearing,  and  I  welcome  him  and  his  family  today. 

Mr.  Tenet.  Thank  you,  Senator. 

Chairman  Specter.  Thank  you,  Senator  Glenn. 

Senator  Kyi. 

Senator  Kyl.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  will  just  defer  to  my  colleague 
from  Oklahoma,  Senator  Inhofe. 

Chairman  Specter.  OK. 

Senator  Inhofe. 

Senator  Inhofe.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

I  had  a  prepared  statement  which  I  have  elected  not  to  read,  be- 
cause I  want  to  get  on  with  this.  I  have  to  confess,  though,  first 
of  all  it  is  great  for  me,  not  only  to  be  here  where  we  can  visit  with 
George  Tenet,  whom  I  support  wholeheartedly,  but  also  to  have  my 
predecessor  David  Boren  here  to  introduce  him  or  to  participate  in 
some  way — I  am  not  sure  how  you're  going  to  do  it. 


David  and  I  were  elected  to  the  Oklahoma  Legislature  way  back 
in  1966,  and  have  been  very,  very  close  friends  since  that  time. 
And  George,  I  have  to  tell  you  that  I  only  had  one  phone  call  after 
I  won  the  election  and  before  I  took  office  from  David,  and  it  was 
about  you.  He  said,  anything  that  we  can  do,  to  use  the  benefits 
and  the  knowledge  and  the  experience  of  George  Tenet,  we  want 
to  do.  So  I  am,  I  suppose  here,  one  of  your  strongest  advocates. 

Mr.  Tenet.  Thank  you.  Senator. 

Chairman  Specter.  Thank  you  very  much,  Senator  Inhofe. 

We  will  now  turn  to  the  very  distinguished  introducing  panel, 
starting  with  Senator  Sarbanes. 

STATEMENT  OF  HON.  PAUL  S.  SARBANES,  A  U.S.  SENATOR 
FROM  THE  STATE  OF  MARYLAND 

Senator  Sarbanes.  Well,  thank  you  very  much,  Mr.  Chairman. 

I  am  very  pleased  to  appear  before  the  committee  and  join  with 
many  of  my  colleagues  and  former  colleagues  here  in  introducing 
George  Tenet,  who,  incidentally,  is  a  resident  of  the  State  of  Mary- 
land, if  I  may  make  that  observation. 

He  is  well  known  to  all  of  us  through  his  very  distinguished  serv- 
ice here  on  Capitol  Hill  on  the  staff  of  his  committee  for  over  7^2 
years,  including  as  the  staff  director  for  the  Senate  Select  Commit- 
tee on  Intelligence  for  over  4  years,  from  November  1988  to  Janu- 
ary 1993. 

Before  he  came  to  work  for  the  Intelligence  Committee,  he 
worked  for  Senator  John  Heinz  as  his  legislative  assistant,  covering 
national  security  and  energy  issues,  and  also  a  Senator  Heinz's  leg- 
islative director. 

George  is  a  graduate  of  Georgetown  University's  School  of  For- 
eign Service.  He  has  a  Master  of  International  Affairs  from  Colum- 
bia University.  After  his  service  with  Senator  Heinz  and  this  com- 
mittee, he  went  over  to  the  National  Security  Council  as  senior  di- 
rector for  intelligence  programs.  So  he  has  had  a  decade  of  working 
in  the  intelligence  field. 

He  has  managed,  of  course,  a  staff  on  the  Hill  and  done  it  very 
capably.  If  confirmed,  and  I  have  every  hope  and  expectation  that 
he  will  be,  he  will  be  assuming  a  very  important  post,  carrying 
heavy  responsibilities.  He  will  be  joining  the  new  Director  of 
Central  Intelligence  during  a  sensitive  period  of  transition  of  intel- 
ligence services. 

I  think  he  brings  a  number  of  very  significant  qualities  to  that 
assignment.  He  good  management  skills  and  background  in  intel- 
ligence work  will  be  very  valuable  assets  to  Director  Deutch,  along 
with  a  combined  perspective  acquired  at  both  ends  of  Pennsylvania 
Avenue.  He  has  a  respect  for  the  oversight  functions  and  activities 
of  intelligence  committees  and  the  Congress,  which  I  think  is  a 
matter  of  significant  concern  to  those  of  us  in  the  Congress,  and 
a  keen  appreciation  of  the  intelligence  requirements  of  the  Presi- 
dent and  of  the  executive  branch. 

I  have  known  George  and  his  family  for  a  long  time,  I  know  well 
his  record  of  public  service.  I  am  confident  that  he  brings  to  this 
position  the  essentials  skills  and  experience  required  to  be  the  Dep- 
uty Director. 


I  strongly  urge  his  prompt  consideration  and  his  early  confirma- 
tion. 

Thank  you  very  much. 

Chairman  Specter.  Thank  you  very  much,  Senator  Sarbanes. 

We  now  turn  to  Senator  Murkowski,  who  served  8  years  on  this 
committee  and  was  a  very  distinguished  vice  chairman. 

Senator  Murkowski. 

STATEMENT  OF  HON.  FRANK  H.  MURKOWSKI,  A  U.S.  SENATOR 
FROM  THE  STATE  OF  ALASKA 

Senator  MURKOWSKI.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

I  am  very  pleased  to  be  here  and  join  my  colleagues,  and  I  think 
it  is  particularly  fitting  that  Senator  Sarbanes  and  I,  who  are  still 
active  in  the  vineyards,  have  an  opportunity  to  sit  down  with  Sen- 
ator Warren  Rudman  and  our  good  friend.  Senator  Boren,  both  of 
whom  struck  out  in  the  private  sector,  one  to  reorganize  the  uni- 
versity systems  in  this  country,  and  the  other  to  reorganize  the  pri- 
vate sector,  and  I  think  it  is  somewhat  comforting.  Senator  Sar- 
banes, to  know  that  they  seem  to  be  getting  along  quite  well  and 
neither  one  of  them  look  like  they  missed  too  many  meals.  [General 
laughter.] 

We  are  here  to  introduce  a  friend  that  I  have  had  the  oppor- 
tunity to  work  with  for  a  number  of  years  during  my  tenure  on  this 
committee,  and  it's  nice  to  see  some  of  the  staff  members  that 
worked  with  us  then,  and  know  that  Mr.  Tenet  here  has  advanced 
to  the  point  where  we  are  considering  him  for  the  Deputy  Director 
of  Central  Intelligence. 

During  the  time  that  I  was  on  the  committee,  I  was  working  with 
John  Moseman,  who  is  in  the  room,  and  John  worked  with  me  as 
my  assistant,  and  Senator  Boren,  of  course,  had  the  able  assistance 
of  Mr.  Tenet.  It  was  an  extraordinary  relationship,  and  I  think  that 
the  highlight  was  that  it's  pretty  hard  to  find  a  partisan  issue  that 
we  got  on  during  the  8  years  of  our  association.  It  was  a  non- 
partisan function,  as  has  been  the  tradition  of  this  committee,  and 
it  was  through  no  small  efTort  of  both  Mr.  Tenet  and  Mr.  Moseman 
that  that  was  a  conscientious  commitment  which  I  think  met  the 
requirements  and  the  specific  quality  of  the  Intelligence  Commit- 
tee, which  is  a  unique  committee,  as  you  know,  Mr.  Chairman,  in- 
asmuch as  you  are  limited  to  8  years  of  service. 

So  there  is  no  question  that  Mr.  Tenet  has  the  experience  and 
the  dedication  to  be  a  strong  leader  in  the  intelligence  community, 
and  I  think  as  we  see  the  changes  in  our  intelligence  community, 
there  is  a  different  role  now.  We  still  live  in  a  very  unsettled  world. 
We  have  the  concentration  of  terrorism,  which  is  something  very 
different  than  what  we  had  in  much  of  our  intelligence  before.  We 
are  seeing  the  necessity  of  having  up-to-date  information  relative 
to  issues  such  as  the  North  Korea  proliferation  issue.  These  coun- 
tries have  become  hard  targets  for  intelligence.  This  is,  I  think,  an 
evolution  of  intelligence  that  directs  our  more  immediate  attention. 

So  in  the  sense  that  Mr.  Tenet's  new  job  will  require  the  back- 
ground of  having  had  experience  on  Capitol  Hill  and  the  executive 
branch,  as  Director  of  intelligence  for  the  National  Security  Coun- 
cil, there  could  not  be  a  better  selection  having  been  made  by  our 
President. 


Again,  for  those  of  us  who  have  had  the  pleasure  of  working  with 
George,  it  is  a  real  pleasure  to  be  here,  to  speak  on  behalf  of  your 
nomination  as  Deputy  Director  of  Central  Intelligence.  There  is  ab- 
solutely no  question  in  my  mind  that  you  are  up  to  the  job  and  that 
the — that  you  will  serve  your  country  in  a  manner  that  is  fitting 
of  your  background,  expertise,  and  dedication. 

And  I  am  just  very  pleased  to  speak  on  behalf  of  your  nomination 
and  I  know  that  your  good  friend,  John  Moseman,  joins  me  in  that 
regard. 

I  thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Chairman  Specter.  Thank  you,  Senator  Murkowski. 

The  next  introducer,  by  seniority,  is  Senator  Boren,  having  been 
elected  to  the  Senate  in  1978.  It  is  very  pleasant  to  see  our  distin- 
guished colleague  back — I  saw  him  in  the  dining  room  for  a  few 
moments — and  to  know  that  he  has  charge  of  the  University  of 
Oklahoma,  where  I  started  my  college  education.  Great  place,  Nor- 
man, OK,  and  it's  great  to  see  you  back  here.  Senator  Boren. 

STATEMENT  OF  HON.  DAVID  L.  BOREN,  FORMER  U.S.  SENATOR 
FROM  THE  STATE  OF  OKLAHOMA 

Senator  Boren.  Thank  you  very  much,  Mr.  Chairman.  And  we 
hope  you'll  come  out  and  pay  your  partial  alma  mater  a  visit  one 
of  these  days.  It  is  good  to  be  with  members  of  this  committee.  This 
is  the  first  time  that  I  have  appeared  back  in  the  Senate  since  I 
left  it.  I  am  happy  to  share  with  the  members  of  this  committee 
my  conclusion  that  if  you're  ever  thinking  of  going  on  to  another 
career,  what  you  will  learn  here  in  terms  of  covert  operations, 
antiterrorism,  and  political  intrigue,  will  certainly  serve  you  in 
good  stead  if  you  decide  to  become  president  of  a  major  State  uni- 
versity, I  can  tell  you  that  for  sure.  [General  laughter.] 

Certainly  the  highlight  of  my  service  in  the  Senate  occurred  dur- 
ing my  time  of  service  on  this  committee  and  with  several  of  you 
as  colleagues.  And  indeed,  it  is  a  happy  occasion  that  the  first  time 
I  get  to  come  back  is  to  join  my  colleagues  here  at  the  table  is  to 
present  George  Tenet  to  you. 

I  say  that,  because  I  believe  that  it  is  a  cause  of  real  celebration 
that  George  Tenet  is  willing  to  serve  because  our  country  so  des- 
perately needs  people  of  great  ability  and  tremendous  commitment 
to  serve  in  very  sensitive  positions  like  this,  and  especially  in  our 
intelligence  community  at  this  time.  As  all  of  you  know,  many 
changes  are  upon  us  in  the  community.  There  is  a  quest  for  its  ap- 
propriate role.  In  many  ways,  the  community  is  experiencing  an 
identity  crisis. 

Others  have  covered  George  Tenet's  background  very,  very  thor- 
oughly. 

When  I  first  came  to  this  committee,  I  did  not  know  George 
Tenet.  You  might  ask  how  could  a  Democrat  from  Oklahoma  select 
someone  who  had  come  to  the  Senate  as  a  staff  member  for  a  Re- 
publican Senator.  In  addition  he  was  originally  from  New  York  and 
then  Maryland.  Why  would  I  have  selected  George  Tenet  to  serve 
as  the  staff  director  of  this  committee  when  I  became  chairman. 
The  answer  is  very  simple.  I  had  a  chance  to  observe  him,  and  I 
made  that  decision  on  the  basis  of  merit,  on  the  basis  of  his  tre- 
mendous ability  as  I  saw  it,  demonstrated  when  we  examined  the 


oversight  issues  involved  with  our  negotiations  of  the  arms  control 
treaties  as  the  chairman  has  indicated.  George  Tenet  staffed  that 
process  and  he  did  a  tremendous  job.  I  wanted  to  find  the  person 
who  had  the  greatest  talent  to  serve  as  staff  director. 

During  his  time  as  the  stafi"  director  of  this  committee,  many  im- 
portant reforms  steps  were  made.  We  began  a  quarterly  review  of 
all  the  findings  in  force  to  make  sure  that  we  were  providing  ade- 
quate oversight  over  the  executive  branch.  With  the  help  of  the 
chairman,  and  it  was  the  chairman's  original  suggestion,  we  se- 
cured the  passage  of  a  bill  setting  up  the  statutory  inspector  gen- 
eral for  the  CIA.  We  also  strengthened  the  covert  action  reporting 
requirements  in  landmark  legislation. 

Our  own  independent  audit  unit  was  created  for  the  first  time. 
It  enabled  us  to  find  information  on  our  own  without  having  to 
take  simply  the  information  that  was  given  to  us  by  the  executive 
branch.  The  creation  of  that  unit  was  fully  implemented  during  the 
time  that  George  Tenet  served  as  our  staff  director. 

No  one  could  have  more  appreciation  for  or  respect  for  the  role 
of  this  committee  and  the  need  to  keep  faith  with  the  responsibil- 
ities of  this  committee  in  terms  of  providing  full  and  thorough  in- 
formation than  George  Tenet.  As  staff  director  he  very  forcefully 
upheld  our  rights  and  tried  with  every  ounce  of  energy  to  meet  the 
responsibility  to  obtain  information  for  this  committee. 

So  I  think  we  are  very  fortunate  that  someone  would  enter  serv- 
ice in  this  key  position  who  has  such  a  firm  understanding  of  the 
need  for  the  special  partnership  that  exists  between  this  committee 
and  the  executive  branch. 

I  would  just  say  one  thing.  Now,  the  further  away  I  am  from  the 
process,  the  more  I  believe  in  bipartisanship,  the  more  I  under- 
stand how  much  the  American  people  want  it.  Reference  was  made 
by  Senator  Murkowski  and  Senator  Cohen  who  is  here  today  could 
also  make  the  same  comments,  to  the  bipartisan  approach  we  have 
had.  I  know  that  that  spirit  continues  on  the  committee.  Except  for 
the  two  staff"  directors,  for  6  years  we  never  asked  anyone's  politi- 
cal affiliation  when  we  hired  new  staff.  We  had  an  American  staff, 
we  didn't  have  a  Democratic  or  Republican  staff.  And  it  is  with 
great  pride  that  I  tell  you  that  during  that  time  and  during  the  en- 
tire time  that  George  served  as  staff  director,  working  with  Senator 
Cohen's  director,  and  later,  Senator  Murkowski's  staff  director, 
John  Moseman,  we  did  not  have  a  single  party  line  division  on  this 
committee  on  any  issue,  no  matter  how  sensitive.  George  Tenet 
really  made  an  immeasurable  contribution  to  that  spirit  of  the  com- 
mittee. 

And  so  when  you  see  someone  who  is  an  American  first  above  all 
else,  and  who  will  faithfully  serve  the  members  of  this  committee 
in  its  role  without  regard  to  partisan  political  consideration,  with 
the  kind  of  competence  he's  developed;  with  the  experience  that  has 
already  been  outlined,  it's  a  very  happy  occasion  indeed  to  be  able 
to  come  back  and  to  say  to  you  with  great  enthusiasm  of  the  people 
I  have  known  in  my  life  I  would  count  on  one  hand  those  that  I 
would  entrust  anything  that  I  owned  or  anything  that  I  had  and 
never  bother  to  check  up  on  it,  and  George  Tenet  is  one  of  those 
people.  And  I  enthusiastically  recommend  him. 


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Chairman  Specter.  Thank  you  very  much,  Senator  Boren.  If  you 
go  on  much  longer,  it  may  be  unnecessary  to  have  the  balance  of 
the  hearing. 

It  is  a  real  pleasure  to  see  Senator  Rudman  back  in  these  Halls. 
A  special  pleasure  for  me.  We  came  together,  served  side  by  side 
for  12  years.  An  extraordinary  Senator,  an  extraordinary  public 
servant.  A  former  member  of  this  committee. 

And  we  welcome  you  here,  Senator  Rudman. 

STATEMENT  OF  HON.  WARREN  B.  RUDMAN,  FORMER  U.S. 
SENATOR  FROM  THE  STATE  OF  NEW  HAMPSHIRE 

Senator  Rudman.  Mr.  Chairman,  thank  you  so  much,  and  it's 
great  to  appear  before  so  many  good  friends. 

Much  has  been  said  about  George  Tenet's  background  and  his 
ability.  I  share  all  of  that.  I  want  to  come  to  this  from  a  slightly 
different  perspective,  just  for  a  very  brief  period  of  time. 

As  some  of  you  probably  known,  I  agreed  to  serve  as  vice  chair- 
man of  the  President's  Foreign  Intelligence  Advisory  Board,  a  very 
bipartisan  group,  which  historically  goes  back  to  the  days  of 
Dwight  Eisenhower,  which  is  intended  to  give  the  President  of  the 
United  States  an  impartial  view,  if  you  will,  a  qualitative  analysis 
of  the  intelligence  he  is  receiving. 

And  then,  as  the  chairman  well  knows,  this  Congress  last  year 
passed  the  National  Commission  on  Intelligence  Act,  and  I  know 
recently  the  chairman  and  other  members  have  received  the  scope 
paper  from  that  Commission.  That  Commission  the  President  de- 
cided to  staff  with  his  selection  from  PFIAB,  if  you  will,  and  so  Les 
Aspin,  who  was  chairman  of  PFIAB,  and  I  were  asked  to  assume 
the  identical  roles  in  the  National  Commission  on  Roles  and  Mis- 
sions. 

We  suffered  a  grievous  loss  3  weeks  ago  when  we  lost  Les  Aspin, 
one  of  the  true  intellectuals  that  I  have  ever  met  in  my  life.  And 
I  got  to  know  him  extraordinarily  well. 

So  we  are  now  engaged  in  what  you  have  asked  us  to  do,  and 
that  is  to  report  to  the  Congress  and  to  the  President  and  to  an 
extent  to  the  American  people  next  March  as  to  what  the  role,  the 
mission,  structure,  organization,  of  U.S.  intelligence  should  be  for 
the  coming  year  2000.  It  is  a  daunting  task,  because  I  think  anyone 
who  has  served  on  this  committee  or  served  in  the  intelligence  com- 
munity would  probably  say  that  if  the  United  States  had  no  intel- 
ligence assets  today  at  all,  the  system  that  we  would  design  would 
not  resemble  the  system  we  have  on  the  ground.  Having  said  that, 
it  is  very  doubtful  that  there  would  be  that  kind  of  a  massive  reor- 
ganization. 

Now,  I  say  all  of  this  because  I  am  particularly  delighted  and  en- 
thusiastic to  appear  with  George  Tenet  today  and  with  my  good 
friends  Paul  Sarbanes,  Frank  Murkowski,  and  of  course,  David 
Boren.  Because  it  seems  to  me  that  the  one  thing  that  George 
brings  beyond  what  has  been  discussed  except  in  a  cursory  way,  is 
a  thorough  understanding  of  this  place  and  how  it  works,  how  its 
members  think,  and  what  has  to  be  done  to  accomplish  legislative 
objectives. 

I  have  no  doubt  that  when  the  Commission  finishes  its  work, 
that  the  Congress  will  accept  parts  of  it,  reject  parts  of  it,  as  well 


it  should  as  the  people's  representatives,  and  eventually  we'll  have 
major  reorganization  of  the  U.S.  intelligence  community.  I  expect 
that  it  happen,  if  not  next  year,  then  certainly  the  year  after. 

And  to  have  George  Tenet  in  the  position  he  will  be  in  gives  me 
great  comfort.  I  have  had  the  opportunity  to  work  with  him  for  the 
last  several  years,  because  as  you  all  know,  and  you  said  it,  Mr. 
Chairman,  he  has  been  at  the  elbow,  if  you  will,  of  the  National 
Security  Adviser.  And  when  all  of  this  happens,  it  is  going  to  be 
essential  that  there  be  someone  from  the  intelligence  community 
who  is  both  trusted  by  that  community  and  trusted  by  the  commit- 
tees of  Congress  that  in  the  final  analysis  will  be  charged  with  that 
sobering  responsibility. 

We  are  very  lucky  to  have  George  Tenet  nominated  for  this  posi- 
tion. I  was  very  enthusiastic  about  it.  I  had  a  long  talk  with  John 
Deutch  about  it.  I  feel  confident  that  you  will  confirm  him,  and  we 
are  lucky  to  have  him. 

Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Chairman  Specter.  Thank  you  very  much.  Senator  Rudman. 
Thank  you  very  much,  indeed. 

We've  had  a  few  additional  Members  join  us  since  we  started. 
Senator  Mack,  I  think  you  were  next  to  arrive.  Would  you  care  to 
say  a  few  words  in  opening? 

Senator  Mack.  I  pass  on  that,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Chairman  Specter.  OK. 

Senator  Graham. 

Senator  Graham  of  Florida.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  had  an  opportunity 
to  have  a  very  constructive  discussion  with  Mr.  Tenet  and  I  look 
forward  to  his  testimony. 

Chairman  Specter.  Thank  you  very  much. 

Senator  Cohen. 

Senator  COHEN.  I  was  prepared  to  endorse  Mr.  Tenet  until  I 
heard  Senator  Boren  indicate  he  had  only  a  handful  of  people  he 
really  trusted,  and  I  looked  around  the  room,  and  it  was  a  pretty 
narrow  group  of  people  he  was  including.  [General  laughter.] 

But  I,  in  view  of  the  fact  that  we  have  a  vote — back  to  back 
votes,  as  I  understand  it,  coming  up,  I  will  just  say  that  I  have 
worked  with  George  Tenet  and  I  have  the  same  respect  that  every 
single  Member  who  has  introduced  him  has  for  his  abilities  and  I 
look  forward  to  working  with  him  as  the  Deputy  Director. 

Chairman  Specter.  Thank  you.  Senator  Cohen. 

Senator  Robb. 

Senator  ROBB.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

I,  too,  had  a  very  good  meeting  with  Mr.  Tenet  in  the  last  few 
days.  I  look  forward  to  the  hearing,  to  the  confirmation  and  to 
working  with  him,  and  given  the  imminent  votes  that  are  sched- 
uled, maybe  he  could  get  his  opening  statement  in  before  we  have 
to  go  vote. 

Chairman  Specter.  Thank  you  very  much.  Senator  Robb. 

It's  my  pleasure  now  to  introduce  members  of  Mr.  Tenet's  family 
who  are  here,  and  we  thank  Senator  Rudman,  Senator  Boren,  Sen- 
ator Murkowski  and  Senator  Sarbanes  for  coming.  As  is  the  custom 
they  will  leave  us  at  this  time. 

It  is  my  pleasure  to  introduce  Ms.  Stephanie  Glakis-Tenet,  Mr. 
Tenet's  wife,  and  John  Michael  Tenet,  Mr.  Tenet's  son. 


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Thank  you  for  joining  us. 
Now,  Mr.  Tenet,  if  you  would  stand. 

Do  you  swear  to  tell  the  truth,  the  whole  truth,  and  nothing  but 
the  truth,  so  help  you  Grod? 
Mr.  Tenet.  I  do. 

Chairman  SPECTER.  Thank  you  very  much. 
The  floor  is  yours,  Mr.  Tenet.  You  may  proceed. 
Mr.  Tenet.  Thank  you,  Senator. 
I  will  try  and  truncate  this  a  bit  so  we  can  move  on. 

STATEMENT  OF  GEORGE  J.  TENET 

Mr.  Tenet.  Mr.  Chairman,  and  members  of  the  committee,  I  am 
honored  that  President  Clinton  has  nominated  me  to  be  Deputy  Di- 
rector of  Central  Intelligence.  It  is  indeed  a  special  privilege  to  ap- 
pear before  this  committee  to  discuss  my  qualifications  for  this  of- 
fice and  to  share  with  you  my  views  regarding  the  future  of  U.S. 
intelligence. 

For  nearly  a  decade,  I  have  been  involved  in  intelligence  matters 
both  in  the  U.S.  Senate  and  at  the  White  House.  Since  January 
1993  I  have  served  at  the  National  Security  Council  as  Special  As- 
sistant to  the  President  for  National  Security  Affairs  and  Senior 
Director  for  Intelligence  Programs.  Prior  to  my  service  at  the  NSC, 
as  you  all  know,  I  spent  more  than  7  years  at  this  committee,  in- 
cluding over  4  years  as  your  staff  director. 

My  professional  experiences  in  congressional  oversight  and  in  the 
executive  branch  have  provided  a  strong  preparation  for  the  posi- 
tion of  Deputy  Director  of  Central  Intelligence.  Throughout  my  ca- 
reer, I  believe  I  have  addressed  many  of  the  difficult  issues  facing 
the  Intelligence  Community. 

Today,  what  I  would  like  to  do.  Senator,  is  outline  for  you  the 
five  principal  objectives  that  will  represent  my  highest  priorities  if 
confirmed. 

First,  the  Director  and  I  will  work  together  to  ensure  that  the 
Intelligence  Community  provides  the  President,  his  senior  civilian 
and  military  advisers,  and  the  Congress,  unique,  timely,  and  objec- 
tive intelligence  that  makes  a  difference  in  deliberations  that  affect 
our  Nation's  security.  The  Presidential  Decision  Directive  on  intel- 
ligence priorities  calls  for  collection  and  analytical  resources  to 
focus  on  difficult  issues  that  require  a  strong  intelligence  effort. 
The  message  is  clear.  Rather  than  doing  more  with  less,  U.S.  intel- 
ligence must  do  more  of  the  more  important. 

The  Intelligence  Community  has  a  special  obligation  to  provide 
policymakers  with  information  which  is  otherwise  unobtainable.  In- 
telligence can  and  should  be  actionable.  By  providing  real  secrets 
and  the  insights  that  flow  from  them,  good  intelligence  offers  pol- 
icymakers, the  military,  and  law  enforcement  officials  new  opportu- 
nities to  protect  our  national  security  interests. 

Accurate,  timely  intelligence  protects  the  lives  of  the  men  and 
women  in  our  Armed  Forces.  It  disrupts  the  transfer  of  dangerous 
weapons.  It  prevents  terrorist  atrocities.  It  blocks  illicit  narcotics 
trade.  It  stops  illegal  commercial  practices.  It  brings  pressure  to 
bear  on  adversaries  and  helps  to  persuade  our  allies.  And  it 
thwarts  the  plans  of  those  who  seek  to  undermine  peace  and  stabil- 
ity around  the  world.  This  is  the  type  of  intelligence  that  I  believe 


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the  American  people  are  willing  to  pay  for  and  that  policymakers 
need. 

Let  me  say  unequivocally  that  there  is  no  room  for  either  politics 
or  partisanship  in  the  way  the  Intelligence  Community  performs  its 
duties.  The  Director  and  I  will  insist  that  intelligence  products  pro- 
vide unvarnished  facts  and  straightforward  analytic  findings.  We 
will  candidly  acknowledge  what  we  don't  know.  And  most  impor- 
tant, all  of  this  will  be  done  without  regard  to  policy  preferences. 

Second,  the  Director  and  I  will  work  closely  to  oversee  the  re-en- 
gineering of  the  Intelligence  Community.  Just  as  the  need  for  intel- 
ligence is  indisputable,  so  is  the  need  for  reform  and  renewal.  We 
will  undertake  a  careful  review  of  the  Intelligence  Community's 
structure.  Our  goal  will  be  to  consolidate  functions  and  to  identify 
savings  that  will  facilitate  the  innovation  required  to  collect  and 
disseminate  unique  information  quickly  in  our  core  mission  areas. 
We  must  prove  that  we  can  make  tough  budget  decisions  across 
disciplines  that  reward  performance  against  high  priority  targets. 

Third,  a  clandestine  human  intelligence  capability  is  indispen- 
sable to  the  success  of  U.S.  intelligence.  Collection  based  on  tech- 
nology alone  cannot  provide  all  the  relevant  information  on  the  ac- 
tivities, plans,  and  intentions  of  our  adversaries.  Indeed,  we  need 
human  intelligence  to  take  full  advantage  of  advances  in  tech- 
nology that  can  be  used  to  collect  secret  information. 

It  is  for  this  reason,  I  believe,  we  must  strengthen  the  major  ef- 
fort underway  to  revitalize  CIA's  directorate  of  operations.  This  ef- 
fort must  be  based  on  the  highest  operational  and  counterintel- 
ligence standards.  It  requires  continued  attention  to  the  quality  of 
the  individuals  entering  the  clandestine  service  and  how  they  are 
trained,  evaluated,  challenged,  and  rewarded  for  their  accomplish- 
ments and  expertise.  We  must  review  the  composition  and  size  of 
the  service,  its  methods,  the  diversity  and  capabilities  of  its  offi- 
cers, and  how  well  it  performs  against  difficult  targets. 

This  committee's  efforts  in  the  late  1980's  allowed  the  Direc- 
torate to  apply  new  and  creative  techniques  to  operations  in  the 
post-cold-war  environment.  We  must  now  challenge  our  civilian 
and  military  clandestine  services  to  implement  a  long-term  plan 
based  on  the  highest  standards  of  competence,  accountability, 
tradecraft,  and  operational  security.  And  we  must  accept  the  fact 
that  the  benefits  from  this  effort  will  not  be  immediate. 

Fourth,  no  other  issue  carries  more  importance  for  the  Director 
or  myself  than  counterintelligence.  Espionage  in  the  ranks  of  the 
Intelligence  Community  or  foreign  manipulation  of  information  col- 
lected by  U.S.  intelligence  cannot  and  will  not  be  tolerated.  We 
have  made  many  good  strides  since  the  Ames  case. 

But  much  more  needs  to  be  done.  Relying  on  the  polygraph  alone 
will  not  deter  espionage.  We  need  a  strong  cadre  of  professionals 
who  possess  the  analytic  and  investigatory  skills  to  prevent  and  de- 
tect security  breaches.  This  group  will  have  to  assess  the  perform- 
ance of  managers  who  must  balance  the  need  for  aggressive  oper- 
ations with  an  equally  aggressive  counterintelligence  focus.  Coun- 
terintelligence must  be  a  respected  and  rewarded  career.  It  must 
be  embedded  in  collection,  operations,  and  analysis  if  it  is  to  suc- 
ceed. 


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Fifth,  both  the  Director  and  I  believe  that  effective  congressional 
oversight  is  essential  to  the  renewal  of  U.S.  intelligence.  As  Direc- 
tor Deutch  has  stated  before  this  committee,  espionage  does  not 
rest  comfortably  in  a  democracy,  and  congressional  oversight  plays 
an  essential  role  in  maintaining  the  trust  and  confidence  of  the 
American  people  in  secret  intelligence-gathering  activities. 

If  confirmed,  I  will  keep  the  committees  fully  and  currently  in- 
formed about  covert  action,  other  significant  intelligence  activities, 
and  intelligence  successes  and  failures. 

But,  Mr.  Chairman,  perhaps  I  know  more  than  anyone  else  that 
these  statutory  responsibilities  cannot  be  the  sole  basis  of  our  dia- 
log. The  Intelligence  Community  must  interact  with  the  oversight 
committees  on  the  basis  of  bipartisanship,  candor,  and  mutual 
trust.  Experience  makes  it  clear  that  when  oversight  is  neglected 
or  allowed  to  erode,  the  President,  the  Intelligence  Community,  the 
Congress,  and,  more  important,  the  American  people  suffer. 

In  pursuing  these  five  objectives,  I  will  promote  a  process  of  con- 
tinuous improvement  throughout  the  Intelligence  Community  so 
that  it  can  adapt  quickly  to  new  developments  and  needs.  Protect- 
ing the  status  quo  and  adhering  to  convention  inhibit  the  innova- 
tion, creativity,  and  dynamism  needed  to  keep  U.S.  intelligence  the 
best  in  the  world.  Good  intelligence  requires  experimentation  and 
risk  taking.  It  demands  a  work  environment  built  solidly  on  the 
foundation  of  equal  opportunity  and  advancement  based  on  per- 
formance. This  is  the  best  way  to  foster  the  free  expression  of  ideas 
we  need  to  increase  efficiency  and  stay  focused  on  collecting  real 
secrets. 

Mr.  Chairman,  I  am  determined,  in  addition,  to  restore  the  mo- 
rale of  the  employees  of  the  Intelligence  Community,  and  CIA  in 
particular.  I  know  from  close  association  with  the  Intelligence  Com- 
munity over  the  past  decade  that  its  work  force  is  among  the  most 
talented  and  dedicated  and  hard  working  in  the  U.S.  Government. 
These  professionals  want  to  be  challenged  and  held  to  the  highest 
standards  of  performance  and  accountability. 

Mr.  Chairman,  let  me  close  by  saying  that  if  confirmed  I  will 
work  with  the  Director  to  insist  on  clarity  of  mission,  priorities, 
and  standards  of  accountability  at  all  levels  in  meeting  our  obliga- 
tions to  the  President,  the  Congress,  and  the  American  people.  If 
confirmed,  I  will  look  forward  to  working  with  you  and  the  mem- 
bers of  this  committee,  and  I  hope  and  expect  to  be  held  account- 
able for  the  statements  and  pledges  I  have  made  today. 

Mr.  Chairman,  I  would  like  to  thank  you  and  the  members  of 
this  committee,  and  I  look  forward  to  taking  your  questions. 

Chairman  Specter.  Thank  you  very  much,  Mr.  Tenet. 

We  are  now  11  minutes  into  the  vote.  We  will  recess  and  return. 
We  will  be  about  10  or  15  minutes,  since  we  have  two  votes. 

Thank  you. 

[The  committee  stood  in  recess  from  2:43  p.m.,  to  3:03  p.m.] 

Chairman  SPECTER.  We  will  resume  the  hearing. 

Mr.  Tenet,  I  begin  with  what  I  consider  to  be  the  No.  1  inter- 
national problem,  and  that  is  the  threat  posed  by  weapons  of  mass 
destruction,  and  I  would  like  your  views  on  how  the  United  States 
should  tackle  that  issue. 


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Mr.  Tenet.  Senator  this  is  an  issue  that  enjoys  the  President's 
highest  priority.  It  is  an  issue  that  is  one  of  the  priority  targets  in 
his  decision  directive  with  regard  to  inteUigence  priorities.  This  is 
an  issue  that  we  have  to  tackle  from  a  number  of  ways.  We  have 
hostile  countries  that  are  proceeding  to  acquire  these  weapons, 
sometimes  from  friendly  countries.  What  we  need  to  do  is  establish 
a  thorough  understanding  of  the  networks  of  supply  of  those  weap- 
ons. To  the  extent  we  can,  impose  ourselves  on  allies  and  other 
governments  to  shut  down  operations  in  their  countries  that  aid  in 
the  procurement  of  those  weapons  systems. 

We  need  through  our  intelligence  network  and  our  law  enforce- 
ment community  to  bring  both  communities  to  bear,  to  interdict 
shipments,  and  we  need  to  bring  special  operations  to  bear — intel- 
ligence operations  to  bear  on  some  of  these  subjects,  in  a  manner 
that  I  think  is  more  appropriate  to  discuss  is  closed  session. 

But  this  is  an  issue,  Senator,  that  must  be  pursued  by  all  agen- 
cies of  government.  And  U.S.  intelligence  bear  a  special  responsibil- 
ity in  providing  the  necessary  information  to  do  that. 

Chairman  Specter.  A  number  of  us  on  this  committee  have  ex- 
pressed concern  with  the  statement  of  agreed  principles,  so-called, 
with  North  Korea,  which  appears  to  give  a  large  window  of  oppor- 
tunity for  North  Korea  to  avoid  inspections  over  a  5  year  period. 
I  realize  that  you  have  been  with  the  National  Security  Council 
and  have  perhaps  to  some  extent,  an  executive  perspective.  But 
what  is  your  view  of  that  arrangement  with  North  Korea? 

Mr.  Tenet.  Senator,  this  is  not  an  issue  that  I  have  been  directly 
involved  in  personally.  Obviously  any — from  the  perspective  of 
monitoring  in  the  agreement  that  we  reach  with  the  North  Kore- 
ans, obviously  the  continued  presence  of  physical  inspectors  and 
the  IAEA  is  absolutely  critical  to  the  continuation  of  the  monitoring 
of  that  agreement.  The  North 

Chairman  Specter.  But  they  do  not  have  any  inspections,  as  I 
understand  the  arrangement,  for  a  window  of  some  5  years. 

Mr.  Tenet.  Well,  Senator,  this  is  not — as  I  said,  I  would  like  to 
get  you  a  considered  judgment  on  this  issue,  and  I'd  come  back  to 
you  on  this.  Not  something  that  I  have  been  personally  involved  in. 

Chairman  Specter.  With  respect  to  your  comment  about  the  im- 
portance of  clandestine  operations,  I  certainly  agree  with  you  about 
that.  What  is  your  assessment  of  the  quality  of  so-called  HUMINT 
or  human  intelligence  at  the  present  time? 

Mr.  Tenet.  Senator,  I  believe  that  there  have  been  great  strides 
made  over  the  last  4  or  5  years.  I  think  we're  in  good  shape.  I  don't 
think  we  are  in  as  good  a  shape  as  we  need  to  be. 

Chairman  Specter.  Why  do  you  think  that  there  have  been  such 
great  strides  made  in  that  immediate  prior  period? 

Mr.  Tenet.  I  think  one  of  the  reasons  is.  Senator,  is  quite  frank- 
ly these — both  intelligence  committees  went  out  of  their  way  in  the 
late  1980's  to  provide  the  necessary  funding  for  the  Directorate  of 
Operations  to  look  at  new  ways  to  attack  problems,  new  platforms 
to  deal  with  problems  that  aren't  as  traditional  as  we  once  oper- 
ated. So  in  that  sense,  I  think  we  gave  them  the  means  to  do  some 
very,  very  important  things.  They  have  availed  themselves  of  tech- 
nology in  a  way  that  they  did  not  before.  And  as  a  consequence. 


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I  believe  we  have  made  some  good  strides.  But  much  more  needs 
to  be  done  in  this  area. 

Chairman  Specter.  Well,  aside  from  the  technology,  you're  say- 
ing that  progress  has  been  made  on  on-the-ground  intelligence  as 
well. 

Mr.  Tenet.  Yes  sir. 

Chairman  Specter.  Can  you  give  us  an  idea  as  to  how  you  would 
proceed  to  further  improve  HUMINT? 

Mr.  Tenet.  Senator,  as  I  think  I  indicated  in  my  opening  state- 
ment, one  of  the  things  we  need  to  do  is  set  clear  mission  priorities 
for  this  discipline.  There  are  targets  that  clearly  lend  themselves 
and  are  very,  very  difficult.  We  should  organize  ourselves  around 
a  core  set  of  priorities,  relentlessly  pursue  the  evaluation  of  how  we 
perform  against  these  priorities,  look  at  the  kinds  of  people  we 
bring  in,  look  at  how  we  train  people,  look  at  their  skills,  and  then 
relentlessly  give  ourselves  a  report  card  about  how  we're  doing. 

One  of  the  things  that  we  need  to  do  better,  and  it's  not  just  in 
HUMINT,  but  it's  in  all  disciplines  of  intelligence,  is  have  an  eval- 
uation system  in  place  that  looks  at  inputs  and  outputs  and  then 
gives  us  a  sense  of  what  budget  decisions  should  follow. 

Chairman  SPECTER.  Mr.  Tenet,  as  DDCI  you  will  have  enormous 
management  responsibilities  as  No.  2  of  an  enormous  organization. 
What  management  skills  do  you  bring  to  this  job,  or  more  specifi- 
cally, what  experience  if  any  have  you  had  to  this  moment  in  man- 
agement? 

Mr.  Tenet.  Well,  Senator,  I  agree  with  you,  I  have  never  man- 
aged an  organization  the  size  of  the  CIA  or  the  Intelligence  Com- 
munity, for  that  matter.  But  I  think  my  track  record  is  based,  first, 
on  setting  clear  standards  and  priorities,  holding  people  account- 
able for  performance,  understanding  what  my  mission  is,  pursuing 
my  mission  with  the  least  amount  of  bureaucracy  as  is  possible, 
and  ensuring  that  we  have  an  evaluation  system  in  place  that 
judges  outcomes. 

I  think  the  DDCI,  Senator,  is  someone  who  is  very  important  in 
the  Intelligence  Community  from  the  perspective  of  building  con- 
sensus. I  think  one  of  the  things  I  do  best  is  bring  people  together 
around  difficult  issues,  and  make  sure  everybody  has  a  stake  in  the 
outcome.  And  I  think  that  is  a  skill  that  the  DDCI  has  to  evince 
every  day. 

So  the  package,  I  think,  Senator,  is  in  lots  of  small  organizations 
in  small  ways,  skills  that  I  believe  will  lend  themselves  to  helping 
John  Deutch  and  the  management  team  he  surrounded  himself 
with  in  a  very  fundamental  way. 

Chairman  SPECTER.  Well,  your  answer  on  building  consensus 
may  be  related  in  some  sense  to  management,  but  does  not  really 
address  the  question  head  on.  When  you  talk  about  standards  and 
practices,  you  have  given  sort  of  the  text  book  response  to  what 
managers  do. 

My  question  is,  What  experience,  if  any,  do  you  have  in  manage- 
ment? 

Mr.  Tenet.  Well,  Senator,  I  think  that,  first,  we  look  at  the  man- 
agement of  this  committee  for  over  4V2  years,  across  a  range  of 
very,  very  difficult  issues,  and  take  a  look  at  the  aggressive  nature 
of  the  oversight  process  that  we  engaged  in. 


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The  Gates  confirmation  process  may  be  an  interesting  vignette  to 
look  at,  how  a  difficult  issue  was  managed  and  brought  to  conclu- 
sion. 

If  you  take  my  experience  at  the  National  Security  Council,  I  co- 
ordinated Presidential  decision  directives  on  over  five  very,  very 
difficult  subjects.  Executive  orders  in  three  other  areas.  And  the 
management  of  a  covert  action  process  that  reports  directly  to  the 
National  Security  Council  and  the  President 

Chairman  Specter.  What's  the  largest  management  group 
you've  ever  managed? 

Mr.  Tenet.  Oh,  probably  an  interagency  process  that  may  have 
had  50  or  60  people  involved  in  it. 

Chairman  Specter.  You  talk  about  morale,  and  properly  so,  as 
a  high  level  of  priority.  And  you  also  talk  about  progress  since 
Ames  and  more  is  needed. 

Let  me  begin  with  the  progress  which  you  refer  to  since  the  Al- 
drich  Ames  case.  To  what  extent  can  you  specify  that  in  this  open 
session? 

Mr.  Tenet.  Well,  Senator,  we've  done  a  number  of  things.  We 
put  a  new  counterintelligence  structure  in  place  that  created  a  Na- 
tional Counterintelligence  Policy  Board  and  an  operations  board 
and  a  National  Counterintelligence  Center,  all  of  which  flows  di- 
rectly to  the  National  Security  Adviser. 

We  put  a  senior  FBI  agent  in  charge  of  CIA's  counterespionage 
group  to  ensure  that  the  law  enforcement  and  intelligence  coopera- 
tion that  was  absent  in  the  Ames  case  is  now  a  viable  entity. 

This  committee  established — enacted  legislation  that  allowed  law 
enforcement  access  to  financial  and  other  records  that  will  be  criti- 
cal to  deter  and  detect  espionage. 

We  have  an  Executive  order  underway  that  will  be  coming  to  you 
shortly  that  will,  for  the  first  time,  establish  uniform  standards  for 
access  to  classified  information,  including  requiring  people  who 
have  access  to  sensitive  information  to  provide  financial  data  on  a 
fairly  regular  basis  to  their  agency  heads. 

So  from  the  perspective  of  structure,  we  have  created  a  structure 
that  has  solved  some  of  the  issues  that  were  absent.  And  maybe 
that's  bureaucratic,  but  they  were  necessary  first  steps  to  allow  us 
to  take  the  next  and  important  steps  in  the  counterintelligence 
arena. 

Chairman  Specter.  I  was  interested  in  your  emphasis  on  morale 
in  the  CIA  and  that  certainly  is  a  top  item.  How  specific  can  you 
be  as  to  what  you  will  do  to  deal  with  the  morale  issue? 

Mr.  Tenet.  I  think,  Senator,  morale  is  really  a  function  of  leader- 
ship, giving  people  a  sense  of  mission  and  values  that  everybody 
believes  in.  Most  important,  ensuring  that  people  are  rewarded  for 
the  merit  and  competence  of  their  work.  Ensuring  that  people  have 
equal  opportunity,  and  ensuring  that  people  understand  that  their 
management  cares  and  about  those  principles. 

Chairman  Specter.  And  how  about  the  converse  of  that?  Finding 
out  when  they  don't  do  their  jobs,  as  Mr.  Ames  apparently 

Mr.  Tenet.  Absolutely,  Senator.  Accountability  and  management 
accountability  at  all  levels  is  a  critical  piece  of  people  understand- 
ing that  you  mean  what  you  say  about  rewarding  competence  in 
performance. 


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Chairman  Specter.  My  red  light  went  on  in  the  middle  of  your 
answer,  so  I  will  yield  at  this  time  to  Senator  Glenn. 

Senator  Glenn.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

In  the  past  I  am  sure  you  recall  that  I  introduced  legislation 
which  would  require  the  Presidential  appointment  and  Senate  con- 
firmation of  the  CIA  General  Counsel.  Now,  that  is  something  that 
was  recommended  by  the  Church  Committee  way  back,  and  also 
the  Iran-Contra  Committee.  I  think  it  forces  the  appointments  of 
a  President  to  be  done  on  other  than  just  a  straight  political  basis. 
In  other  words,  I  viewed  it  as  being  an  effort  to  nonpoliticize  that 
position  with  some  of  the  problems  we've  had  in  that  position  in 
the  past.  Director  Deutch  has  indicated  to  the  committee  he  would 
like  to  have  this  position  confirmed  by  the  Senate.  I  don't  know 
whether  you  have  talked  to  him  about  this  or  not,  or  whether  you 
are  in  favor  of  it  or  would  like  to  discuss  it  further,  but  I  would 
appreciate  your  views  on  that. 

Mr.  Tenet.  Senator,  he  has  talked  to  me  about  this.  He  has  sent 
this  proposal  forward  to  the  administration  to  get  final  views  from. 
My  perspective  is  that  I  would  agree  with  him.  I  think  that  the 
man  or  woman  who  holds  this  job  is  giving  critical  legal  advice, 
often  in  secret,  and  I  think  this  is  a  person  that  should  be  con- 
firmed. 

Senator  Glenn.  Good. 

Just  as  a  followup  on  that.  You  may  recall  back  some  time  ago 
when  we  had  a  case  where  there  was  a  General  Counsel  out  there 
who  gave  a  recommendation  to  the  President  not  to  send  informa- 
tion to  the  Hill,  specifically  not  to.  And  it  was — the  President  took 
that  advice  and  we  didn't  even  know  about  it  for  over  a  year.  And 
so  I  think  it  is  important  that  we  try  and  get  something  through 
on  that. 

Let  me  ask— we're  sort  of  out  of  the  cold  war  time  period  now. 
My  view  and  I  think  probably  yours,  too,  as  we  talked  about  it 
briefly  in  the  office  was  that  the  direction  of  intelligence  and  the 
nature  of  what  we  are  going  to  have  to  do  has  changed  rather  dra- 
matically here.  Some  of  these  new  directions,  do  you  have  any 
thoughts  formulated  you  could  share  with  us  as  to  the  new  direc- 
tions you  think  our  intelligence  efforts  have  to  take? 

Mr.  Tenet.  Well,  Senator,  there's  some  traditional  areas  that  we 
still  have  to  pursue,  but  some  of  these  transnational  issues  really 
pose  some  new,  fundamental  challenges  to  us.  While  they  have 
been  emphasized — they  have  been  given  some  emphasis  previously, 
the  kind  of  emphasis  they  deserve  in  terms  of  moneys  and  strate- 
gies I  think  is  now  much  more  serious  than  it  once  was. 

I'll  give  you  one.  The  whole  issue  of  international  organized 
crime,  for  example,  and  its  nexus  to  terrorist  organizations  and 
narcotrafficking  organizations  is  something  that  is  most  worrisome, 
particularly  as  they  operate  in  weak  nation-states  who  don't  know 
how  to  control  them  or  don't  want  to  control  them.  And  they  pose 
fundamental  challenges  not  only  to  economic  systems,  but  they 
challenge  democratic  systems  that  are  trying  and  struggling  to  de- 
velop in  many,  many  parts  of  the  world. 

So  that  is  one  area  that  I  think  needs  much  more  attention. 

Senator  Glenn.  I  think  more  of  the  things  you  are  going  to  be 
doing  in  intelligence  are  going  to  have  to  go  into  the  HUMINT 


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area.  It's  not  just  overhead  satellites  and  so  on  anymore.  There  are 
so  many  targets  that  I  think  are  going  to  require  HUMINT — and 
that  takes  a  long  time  to  develop.  We  may  spend  many  years  devel- 
oping good  contacts  in  a  certain  area,  and  they  are  very  tenuous 
even  once  they  are  developed  over  a  number  of  years. 

This  means,  though,  that  your  funding  efforts  being  put  into  that 
area  have  to  be  consistent  for  a  long  period  of  time.  What  do  you 
think  of  multiyear  budgeting  in  that  area  and  how  do  we  do  that? 
The  development  of  satellites  requires  multiyear  budgeting.  But 
with  our  inconsistency  in  the  way  we  budget  these  days,  I'm  not 
sure  how  you  run  a  HUMINT  program  and  keep  it  consistently 
funded. 

Mr.  Tenet.  Well,  Senator,  I  would  say  that  consistence  in  budg- 
eting is  important.  HUMINT  is  not  very,  very  expensive.  It  is  not 
a  big  ticket  item  like  buying  a  satellite.  So,  in  theory,  we  should 
be  able  to  consistently  provide  solid  funding  in  this  area. 

The  patience  you  talk  about  as  well  is  very,  very  important,  and 
the  patience  to  have  a  counterintelligence  and  a  defensive  system 
in  place  that  is  the  equal  of  our  yearning  to  collect  positive  intel- 
ligence is  something  that  we  have  to  concentrate  far  more  on  that 
we  have  in  the  past. 

Collecting  assets  and  generating  intelligence  is  our  primary  mis- 
sion, but  ensuring  that  that  information  is  free  of  manipulation 
and  that  its  integrity  is  high  is  also  something  that  needs  to  be  em- 
phasized. And  there  is  a  tension  there  that  you  have  to  accept,  and 
so  patience  is  really  the  key. 

Senator  Glenn.  Yes. 

Well,  I  have  not  been  in  favor  of  downsizing  the  budget  on  this 
committee,  as  you  know.  We've  been  through  some  wars  on  that 
issue  in  the  past  here  on  the  committee.  I  think  at  a  time  when 
we  are  downsizing  the  military  or  have  leveled  off  our  downsizing, 
history  tells  us  that  about  every  17  years  we  go  through  a  build 
cycle  in  the  military.  That  has  been  the  pattern  on  a  17-year  cycle 
ever  since  the  Spanish-American  War.  We've  gone  through  cycles 
almost  exactly  every  17  years.  World  War  II  was  just  a  hair  off  by 
about  4  years,  but  the  others  have  fit  an  exact  cycle. 

I  think  that  when  we're  downsizing  our  military,  we  need  the 
best  possible  intelligence,  and  I  have  not  favored  downsizing  our 
budget.  I  am  truly  concerned  that  we  not  downsize  to  where  we 
can't  do  the  job  that  has  to  be  done  for  the  future. 

So  that  doesn't  require  any  response  from  you  but 

Mr.  Tenet.  Senator,  let  me  just  tell  you  that  my  one  response 
would  be  that  stability  is  key. 

Senator  Glenn.  Yes. 

Mr.  Tenet.  We  need  a  5-year  profile  that  is  stable  so  that  you 
can  plan  against  it.  That's  absolutely  critical. 

Senator  Glenn.  Well,  I  know  of  no  serious  objection  to  your  nom- 
ination and  I  look  forward  to  working  with  you  once  you  get  out 
there. 

Mr.  Tenet.  Thank  you.  Senator.  I  appreciate  that. 

Chairman  Specter.  Thank  you  very  much.  Senator  Glenn. 

We  have  had  the  arrival  of  Senator  Nunn,  who  had  wanted  to 
be  here  earlier,  but  had  other  commitments,  and  we  would  be  very 


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pleased  now  to  yield  to  the  distinguished  Senator  from  Georgia  for 
an  introduction  nunc  pro  tunc  of  Mr.  Tenet. 

STATEMENT  OF  HON.  SAM  NUNN,  A  U.S.  SENATOR  FROM  THE 
STATE  OF  GEORGIA 

Senator  NUNN.  Thank  you  very  much,  Mr.  Chairman. 

I  know  that  Mr.  Tenet  has  already  been  well  introduced.  I  am 
going  to  ask  that  my  whole  statement  be  put  in  the  record.  I  just 
wanted  to  add  a  very  strong  endorsement  of  George.  He  has  been 
a  terrific  follower  and  worker  with  the  Intelligence  Community. 
When  I  was  chairman  of  the  Armed  Services  Committee,  I  worked 
with  George  when  he  was  the  staff  director  for  Senator  Boren  and 
even  before  that  when  he  was  on  the  committee  staff. 

He  has  a  keen  appreciation  of  the  connectivity  between  the  mili- 
tary community  and  the  CIA.  He  has  a  very  broad  perspective  of 
intelligence.  He  has  worked  in  the  NSC,  as  all  of  you  know.  I  have 
had  a  chance  to  travel  with  him  when  he  was  staff  director.  If  you 
go  into  closed  session,  I  could  give  you  some  of  the  more  colorful 
parts  of  those  ventures,  but  I  wouldn't  do  it  in  open  session. 

I  do  think  he  will  make  an  excellent  Deputy  Director,  and  I  know 
that  John  Deutch  is  looking  forward  to  having  him  there,  and  I 
think  that  this  committee  will  appreciate  his  talents  as  it  has  in 
the  past  when  he  was  serving  so  capably  as  a  member  of  the  staff. 
He  has  energy;  he  has  intellect;  he  has  enthusiasm;  he  has  an  ab- 
solute dedication  to  a  strong  intelligence  capability  under  proper 
oversight  and  supervision;  and  I  think  he  also  have  been  around 
the  Intelligence  Community  enough  to  know  that  you  have  to  ask 
the  right  question. 

Mr.  Tenet  will  do  a  terrific  job.  We'll  be  proud  to  work  with  him. 

Chairman  Specter.  Well,  thank  you  very  much.  Senator  Nunn. 

That  raises  in  my  mind  the  issue  of  whether  he  knows  how  to 
give  the  right  answers  to  the  question  which  would  have  been  the 
right  question  had  it  been  asked. 

Senator  NuNN.  I  think  he  knows  how  to  do  both. 

Chairman  Specter.  Well,  that's  a  rare  quality,  and  the  proof  will 
be  in  the  pudding  as  to  whether  he  will  do  that,  recognizing  the 
question  that  should  have  been  asked  but  wasn't  and  then  giving 
the  right  answer. 

And  your  full  statement  will  be  included  in  the  record. 

Mr.  Tenet.  Thank  you.  Senator. 

Chairman  Specter.  Thank  you.  Senator  Nunn. 

[The  statement  of  Senator  Nunn  follows:] 

Statement  of  Senator  Sam  Nunn 

Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman  and  members  of  the  Committee,  for  allowing  me  to  ap- 
pear before  you  at  this  time.  I  regret  that  it  was  not  possible  for  me  to  be  with  you 
at  the  outset.  I  was  participating  in  a  long-scheduled  ceremony  inaugurating  the 
State  Department's  consolidated  nuclear  risk  reduction  center. 

It  am  pleased  to  enthusiastically  recommend  to  the  Committee  Mr.  George  J. 
Tenet,  President  Clinton's  nominee  to  be  Deputy  Director  of  the  Central  Intelligence 
Agency. 

It  was  my  pleasure  to  work  directly  with  George  when  I  was  a  member  of  the 
SSCI.  He  was  a  designee  for  many  years;  he  then  became  Staff  Director  during  the 
tenure  of  our  esteemed  former  colleague  Senator  Boren.  1  had  extensive  contacts 
with  both  of  them,  in  my  capacity  as  an  SSCI  member  and  as  Chairman  of  the 
Armed  Services  Committee.  We  had  several  opportunities  to  travel  together  on  Com- 
mittee business  overseas — and  in  closed  session  I  am  prepared  to  brief  the  Commit- 


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tee  on  Chairman  Boren's  and  Staff  Director  Tenet's  more  colorful  covert  activities 
during  those  memorable  trips. 

Mr.  Chairman,  based  upon  my  direct  knowledge  of  Mr.  Tenet's  abilities  and  his 
character,  I  highly  recommend  his  confirmation  for  the  important  post  of  Deputy  Di- 
rector of  the  Central  Intelligence  Agency,  again  with  enthusiasm  and  without  quali- 
fication. 

If  confirmed,  Mr.  Tenet  would  bring  to  this  position  superb  leadership  skills.  I 
know  him  to  be  energetic  and  perceptive,  well-organized,  considerate  and  thought- 
ful. He  is  thoroughly  familiar  with  Senate  procedures  and  practices,  having  worked 
as  legislative  director  for  the  late  Senator  John  Heinz,  before  coming  to  SSCI  as 
Senator  Leahy's  staff  designee  in  August  of  1985.  He  is  an  expert  in  our  legislative 
and  budget  processes.  He  understands  well  the  concerns  of  the  Congress  and  the 
importance  of  Congressional  oversight. 

During  his  tenure  on  the  SSCI  staff,  Mr.  Tenet  gained  detailed  knowledge  of  the 
structure  and  function  of  the  United  States  Intelligence  Community — not  just  the 
Central  Intelligence  Agency,  but  also  the  Defense  Intelligence  Agency,  the  intel- 
ligence units  of  the  respective  military  branches  and  executive  branch  departments, 
the  Federal  Bureau  of  Investigation  and  the  National  Security  Agency. 

During  the  time  that  he  was  SSCI  Staff  Director,  and  I  was  Chairman  of  the 
Armed  Services  Committee,  my  staff  and  I  worked  closely  with  Mr.  Tenet  and  his 
staff  on  budget  and  oversight  issues  of  concern  to  our  two  committees,  including  tac- 
tical military  intelligence  and  verification  of  arms  control  agreements.  I  can  assure 
this  Committee  that  Mr.  Tenet  has  an  excellent  appreciation  of  the  importance  of 
intelligence  for  our  uniformed  military  services. 

Mr.  Tenet  deepened  his  knowledge  of  intelligence  issues  and  extended  it  further 
during  his  tenure  as  Senior  Director  for  Intelligence  Programs  at  the  National  Secu- 
rity Council.  This  experience  provided  him  with  an  Executive  Branch  perspective  of 
the  entire  United  States  Intelligence  Community  and  how  it  interrelates  with  Con- 
gress and  with  other  parts  of  government. 

In  short,  Mr.  Chairman,  there  is  no  doubt  in  my  mind  that  George  Tenet  pos- 
sesses the  knowledge  and  the  experience  required  of  the  Deputy  Director  of  the 
Central  Intelligence  Agency.  In  addition,  I  know  from  direct  experience  that  Mr. 
Tenet  possesses  two  personal  qualities  that  will  serve  him,  the  CIA,  and  the  nation 
well,  should  he  be  confirmed  for  this  high  office.  First,  he  is  an  individual  of  high 
integrity.  Second,  he  is  an  individual  blessed  with  a  rich  sense  of  hvmior.  These  two 
qualities  are  needed  everywhere  in  government,  but  nowhere  more  than  in  today's 
Central  Intelligence  Agency. 

Mr.  Chairman,  I  believe  George  Tenet  would  be  an  outstanding  Deputy  Director 
of  the  Central  Intelligence  Agency.  I  recommend  that  he  be  promptly  and  unani- 
mously confirmed  by  the  Senate  for  this  post. 

Chairman  SPECTER.  Senator  Shelby. 

Senator  Shelby.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Mr.  Tenet,  in  your  statement,  I  am  just  going  to  quote  from  it, 
it  says:  "No  other  issue  carries  more  importance  for  the  Director  or 
myself  than  counterintelligence."  I  agree  with  that.  It  says:  "Espio- 
nage in  the  ranks  of  the  Intelligence  Community  or  foreign  manip- 
ulation of  information  collected  by  U.S.  intelligence  cannot  and  will 
not  be  tolerated." 

Let's  talk  about  the  Ames  case.  I  have  been  told,  I  think  fairly 
reliably,  that  we  don't  know  everything  and  that  maybe  Ames 
doesn't  know  everything  that  was  disseminated  out  of  Langley  and 
others.  How  do  you  fight  that  information  that  has  been  dissemi- 
nated that  we  collected  that's  very  important.  In  other  words,  fol- 
lows up  on  the  Ames  case.  You've  got  to  get  the  depth  of  what  he 
sent  out,  have  you  not?  How  do  you  measure  it,  in  other  words? 

Mr.  Tenet.  Well,  Senator,  as  you  may  know,  there  is  a  damage 
assessment  underway  today. 

Senator  Shelby.  I  know  it. 

Mr.  Tenet.  I  think  it  will  be  done  in  another  couple  of  months. 
And  out  of  this  damage  assessment  we  hope  we  will  understand 
the  full  extent  of  the  damage  he  did. 


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Senator  Shelby.  Why  has  it  taken  so  long  to  get  into  damage  as- 
sessments? 

Mr.  Tenet.  Well  these 

Senator  Shelby.  I  know  you're  not  over  there. 

Mr.  Tenet.  I'm  not  over  there,  Senator,  I  don't  know  the  full 
process  by  which  these  are  conducted,  but  I  think  in  the  case  of  Mr. 
Ames,  it  was  so  much  information  given  away  that  understanding 
the  complexity  and  the  totality  of  it  is  a  very  difficult  proposition. 

Senator  Shelby.  Was  he  basically  a — running  a  Xerox  machine 
just  get — sending  stuff  out  and  probably  a  lot  of  things  he  didn't 
understand,  but  knew  was  valuable. 

Mr.  Tenet.  I  think  worse  than  running  a  Xerox  machine,  I  think 
we  was  downloading  a  computer  pretty  well,  and  accessing  data 
bases  that  we  have  to  fully  evaluate.  His  access  is  an  issue  that 
will  ultimately  lead  us  to  a  fuller  understanding  of  the  damage 
that  has  been  done. 

Senator  Shelby.  Would  it  be  a  fair  assessment  that  over  at 
Langley  that  the  Ames  case  just  stunned  everybody,  I  mean,  you 
know,  just  stunned  them  for  a  long  time. 

Mr.  Tenet.  Well,  Senator,  in  an  intelligence  organization  you  can 
have  no  worse  event  occur  than  treason  in  the  ranks. 

Senator  Shelby.  You  were  stafT  director  here  what,  8  years? 

Mr.  Tenet.  I  was  the  staff  director  for  4^2  years. 

Senator  SHELBY.  Four  and  a  half. 

Mr.  Tenet.  It  seemed  like  8  years,  Senator. 

Senator  Shelby.  Okay;  8  years.  Or  9,  or  10.  [General  laughter.] 

Now,  during  that  time  that  you  were  here,  the  Ames  case  had 
not  been  broken,  had  it  not?  This  came  after  you  left  here  or  about 
the  time? 

Mr.  Tenet.  Yes,  sir.  I  mean,  we  go  back  and  look  at  the  chro- 
nology of  events,  it's  clear  that  people  knew  back  in  1985-86  that 
there  was  damage  that  was  occurring  with  regard  to  Russian  as- 
sets that  had  nothing  to  do  with  Howard  or  other  espionage  cases. 
So  the  Ames  case  went  on  for  a  very  long  time  before  this  commit- 
tee was  brought  in  on  it.  I  mean,  we  were  brought  in  very,  very 
late. 

Senator  Shelby.  When  was  this  committee  brought  in?  Just  a 
judgment. 

Mr.  Tenet.  I  can't  say  that.  Senator.  I  think  I  was  gone. 

Senator  SHELBY.  OK. 

Mr.  Tenet.  I  don't  know  when  that  information  was  imparted, 
but  I  certainly  wasn't  at  the  committee  at  that  time. 

Senator  Shelby.  If  you're  confirmed,  which  I  am  sure  you  will 
be,  as  Deputy  Director,  and  you  are  over  at  Langley  and  you  had, 
Heaven  forbid,  but  if  we  had  a  situation  similar  to  that  or  some- 
thing like  it,  didn't  you  think  it  would  be  proper  to  bring  this  com- 
mittee in  earlier  as  to  the  loss  of  such  assets  as  that? 

Mr.  Tenet.  Yes,  sir,  absolutely. 

Senator  SHELBY.  And  was  this  a  decision,  I  guess  internally  by 
the  Director  keep  us — keep  this  committee  from  knowing? 

Mr.  Tenet.  I  can't  speak  to  that.  Senator.  I  just 

Senator  Shelby.  You  just  know  what  happened,  don't  you. 

Mr.  Tenet.  I  don't  know  the  facts  there. 


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Senator  Shelby.  But  you  know  this  committee  was  not  brought 
in.  Was  not  informed,  not  timely. 

Mr.  Tenet.  That's  correct. 

Senator  Shelby.  How  are  you  going  to  change,  Mr.  Tenet,  the 
culture  of  the  CIA?  You  know,  there's  a  lot  been  written  about  the 
culture. 

Mr.  Tenet.  Senator,  I — culture  is  a  funny  word. 

Senator  Shelby.  It  is.  It  is.  It's  broad  and  it's  narrow. 

Mr.  Tenet.  Let  me  answer  it  the  only  way  I  know  how  to  answer 
it.  I  think  the  Director  has  noted,  you  have  to  establish  standards 
of  performance  and  accountability,  competence,  from  the  top  to  the 
bottom.  You  have  to  establish  bright  yellow  lines  that  people  don't 
cross.  There  have  to  be  consequences  for  crossing  those  lines.  And 
I  think  that  that  is  the  message  that  has  to  be  imparted.  And  that 
is  the  only  way  to  do  it.  And  the  work  force  has  to  understand  that 
there  is  one  set  of  standards,  and  that  everybody  lives  by  them. 
And  in  that  way,  I  think  you'll  get  better  performance  and  a  more 
responsive  work  force.  And  a  work  force,  by  the  way,  that  is  enor- 
mously responsive  today.  So  I  think  that's  the  way  you  do  it.  Sen- 
ator. 

Senator  Shelby.  How  long  do  you  think  it  will  take  the  Director 
and  you  and  others  working  over  there  to  do  this,  to  change  it,  to 
turn  it  around?  You  do  have  a  lot  of  bright  people  there,  you  know. 
They  do  a  great  job. 

Mr.  Tenet.  Senator,  I  said  in  my  opening  statement  that  this 
is 

Senator  Shelby.  Will  it  take  a  year? 

Mr.  Tenet.  I  can't  put  a  box  around  it. 

Senator  Shelby.  I  know  that.  It's  just  a  judgment. 

Mr.  Tenet.  I  can  only  say  that  this  is  a  work  force  that  wants 
to  be  led  and  challenged  and  held  accountable,  as  I  said  in  my 
opening  statement. 

Senator  Shelby.  Maybe  channeled  in  new  directions? 

Mr.  Tenet.  I  think  that,  too,  sir.  And  I  think  that — I  hope  it's 
sooner  than  a  year.  I  think  the  director  believes  he  is  making  good 
progress  today  and  I  think  that  this  is  something  that  we  will  work 
on  very,  very  hard 

Senator  Shelby.  Is  this  the  No.  1  priority  over  there? 

Mr.  Tenet.  It  has  to  be. 

Senator  Shelby.  Has  to  be.  Everything  pales  besides  this. 

Mr.  Tenet.  That's  correct. 

Senator  Shelby.  OK. 

Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Chairman  SPECTER.  Thank  you  very  much.  Senator  Shelby. 

Mr.  Tenet,  you  talked  about,  in  your  opening  statement,  that 
there  would  be  no  policy  preferences  articulated  by  you.  And  there 
was  this  considerable  concern  by  the  committee  on  the  Director's 
being  in  the  Cabinet  because  of  the  issue  of  mixing  policy  and  facts. 
I  will  not  ask  you  your  view  of  whether  the  Director  ought  to  be 
in  the  Cabinet,  but  I  will  ask  you  how  you're  going  to  keep  policy 
out  of  the  picture,  given  the  Director's  presence  in  the  Cabinet,  and 
your  possible  entry  to  the  Cabinet  in  his  place,  at  least  when  we 
have  the  State  of  the  Union  speeches  and  he  might  be  out  of  town 
some  evening. 


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Mr.  Tenet.  Senator,  I  don't  think  this  is  a  difficult  thing  to  do. 
I  beHeve  that  intelhgence  and  our  assessments  simply  have  to  be 
straightforward.  We  will  tell  you  what  the  facts  are.  We  will  tell 
you  what  we  know  and  we  will  tell  you  what  we  don't  know. 

Chairman  Specter.  Do  you  think  it  has  ever  been  a  problem? 
For  example,  during  the  administration  of  some  prior  Directors? 

Mr.  Tenet.  Senator,  we  went  through,  as  you  recall,  we  went 
through  a  very  lengthy  and  difficult  set  of  proceedings  over  Mr. 
Gates'  confirmation  where  we  had  the  analytical  community  split 
down  the  middle.  People  coming  in  basically  believing  that  judg- 
ments were  cooked.  Others  arguing  in  the  other  direction.  It  is  our 
primary  mission  to  ensure  that  our  analysts  and  our  operators  be- 
lieve that  all  we  are  asking  for  is  their  best  judgments  without 
prejudice  to  what  policymakers  may  want  to  hear,  and  that  is  a 
standard  we  will  relentlessly  adhere  to. 

Chairman  Specter.  Well,  bear  in  mind  that  that  is  a  very  high 
priority  with  the  committee  as  you  work  through  the  process. 

Mr.  Tenet.  Yes,  Senator. 

Chairman  Specter.  It  is  not  hard  to  articulate  an  answer  to 
avoid  policy,  but  I  think  you  are  going  to  find  it  very  difficult  and 
perhaps  you  will  have  special  expertise  in  avoiding  it  because  you 
saw  a  fair  amount  of  it  to  the  contrary. 

Have  you  discussed  with  President  Clinton  his  expectations  of 
your  role  as  Deputy  Director? 

Mr.  Tenet.  Senator,  I  haven't  spoken  to  the  President  person- 
ally. Mr.  Lake  and  the  President  spoke.  Mr.  Lake  spoke  to  me 
about  that  conversation  and  the  President  extended  his  hopes  that 
I  would  join  John  Deutch's  team  to  be  part  of  the  renewal  that  he 
has  talked  about. 

Chairman  Specter.  Anything  more  specific  from  the  President 
through  Mr.  Lake  or  Mr.  Lake  himself  in  defining  their  expecta- 
tions of  you? 

Mr.  Tenet.  Well,  Senator,  I  wouldn't  want  to  characterize  those 
conversations  to  you,  but  their  intimate  involvement  with  creating 
a  Presidential  decision  directive  and  establishing  intelligence  prior- 
ities is  something  that  they  believe  we  have  to  drive  home  very, 
very  clearly,  and  that  is  a  matter  of  utmost  priority  to  the  Presi- 
dent and  to  Mr.  Lake. 

Chairman  SPECTER.  Mr.  Tenet,  what  is  your  view  as  to  the  con- 
troversial subject  of  the  disclosure  of  the  total  CIA  budget? 

Mr.  Tenet.  Senator,  I  think  I  will  align  myself  with  Director 
Deutch  on  that  issue.  I  can't  say  that  there  is  any  great  national 
security  harm  that  will  come  from  the  disclosure  of  an  aggregate 
budget.  He  has  expressed  some  concerns  about  where  that  leads  us 
in  terms  of  congressional  budget  process  and  whether  there  are 
pressures  for  more  disclosure. 

I  believe  the  blue  ribbon  commission  that  we — that  you  have  cre- 
ated by  statute  was  tasked  to  look  at  this  issue.  I  would  like  to  see 
what  they  take  a  look  at  and  come  up  with.  But  my  general  view 
is  that  so  long  as  we  have  assurances  that  the  top  number  isn't 
subjected  to  more  intrusive  inspections  so  that  people  don't  ask  us 
about  specific  line  items,  I  think  it  is  probably  something  that  we 
can  manage  over  time. 


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Chairman  Specter.  Mr.  Tenet,  you  have  followed,  I  am  sure,  the 
developments  in  Guatemala.  I'll  be  interested  in  your  assessment 
of  the  nature  of  that  problem  and  what  action  the  CIA  ought  to 
take  to  deal  with  it. 

Mr.  Tenet.  Senator,  this  is  obviously  a  very  difficult  problem. 
There  are  some  aspects  of  this  that  I  would  like  to  talk  to  you 
about  in  closed  session,  if  we  could.  But  let  me  do  this  very,  very 
clearly. 

This  is  an  instance  where,  take  Guatemala  or  any  country,  where 
the  CIA  may  establish  liaison  relationships — where  the  CIA  may 
establish  liaison  relationship  with  the  service.  Our  responsibility  in 
taking  a  look  at  those  relationships  is  to  ensure,  one,  that  our  na- 
tional interest  is  being  pursued  properly;  two,  that  to  the  extent  we 
pursue  those  relationships,  there  is  information  that  we  get  out  of 
that  that  is  better  than  we  give;  three,  that  we  relentlessly  con- 
tinue to  evaluate  the  people  we  recruit,  the  liaison  relationships  we 
maintain,  so  as  to  ensure  that  these  aren't  put  on  automatic  pilot, 
that  there  are  standards  that  guides  the  way  we  look  at  these  rela- 
tionships. 

In  the  case  of  Guatemala,  obviously,  we  should  have  paid  more 
attention  to  human  rights  and  the  activities  of  some  of  the  people 
and  liaison  services  as  they  pertain  to  human  rights. 

So  there  has  to  be  standards.  Our  pursuit  of  those  relationships 
has  to  be  a  conscious  decision,  there  has  to  be  management  ap- 
proval of  those  things,  and  they  have  to  be  evaluated  all  the  time, 
they  can't  just  be  left  to  go  off  and  operate  on  their  own. 

Chairman  Specter.  Mr.  Tenet,  to  what  extent  are  you  familiar 
with  the  progress  of  women  in  the  CIA  being  promoted  to  the 
upper  echelon  of  managerial  responsibility? 

Mr.  Tenet.  Senator,  I  don't  have  a  direct  knowledge  base  to  an- 
swer you  on  that  question.  I  am  aware  that  Director  Woolsey,  for 
example,  thought  it  was  a  very,  very  important  thing.  I  can't  tell 
you — there  aren't  enough  women  in  senior  management  positions. 
We  can  ascertain  that  by  just  looking  around.  But  in  terms  of  a 
track  record  and  how  it's  done  and  how  it  should  be  done  better, 
this  is  an  issue  that  once,  if  I  am  confirmed,  I  would  like  to  take 
a  look  at  very,  very  carefully. 

Chairman  Specter.  Do  you  think  there  should  be  more  women 
in  top  management  position  than  there  are  at  the  present  time? 

Mr.  Tenet.  Senator,  I  think  there  probably  are  many  more  com- 
petent women  who  have  not  been  promoted  that  deserve  to  be  pro- 
moted, but  I  think  this  is — this  issue  of  competence  across  the 
board  is  something  I  would  like  to  look  at  when  I  get  out  there, 
if  I  am  confirmed. 

Chairman  Specter.  Well,  I  am  inferring  that  that  is  a  qualified 
yes,  or  perhaps  an  unqualified  yes. 

Mr.  Tenet.  Well,  let's  say  it's  a  yes.  Senator. 

Chairman  Specter.  OK. 

There  has  been  considerable  comment  in  the  press  about  sex  dis- 
crimination in  the  CIA  which  may  or  may  not  be  related  to  the  pro- 
motion issue.  There  has  been  recently  a  class  action  which  was  liti- 
gated and  the  settlement  approved  over  some  objections.  Are  you 
in  a  position  to  give  us  any  evaluation  of  that  issue  with  respect 
to  the  Agency? 


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Mr.  Tenet.  With  regard  to?  Fm  sorry,  Senator. 

Chairman  SPECTER.  Well,  do  you  think  there  is  sex  discrimina- 
tion at  the  Agency? 

Mr.  Tenet.  Senator,  I  have  never  worked  in  the  building.  I  can't 
make  a  first  hand  determination,  but  I  will  say  this,  the  fact — the 
fact  of  some  of  these  allegations  is  deeply  troubling,  and  the  fact 
that — that  these  court  cases  arose  is  deeply  troubling.  And  where 
there  is  smoke  there  may  be  some  fire,  and  we  need  to  go  after  it 
and  take  a  look  at  it  very,  very  carefully. 

Chairman  Specter.  We  will  be  asking  these  questions  and  oth- 
ers as  we  proceed  through  the  process,  if  you  are  confirmed. 

And  I  will  yield  now  to  our  distinguished  Vice  Chairman,  Senator 
Kerrey. 

Vice  Chairman  Kerrey.  Thank  you  very  much,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Mr.  Tenet,  one  of  the  most  difficult  things  it  seems  to  me  with 
intelligence  is  making  the  presentation  so  that  the  person  that  has 
to  make  the  decision  understands  what's  being  presented.  And  I 
will  just  tell  you  in  the  category,  for  your  information,  that  in  a  re- 
cent closed  hearing  that  presentation  was  made  on  the  question  of 
Iran's  nuclear  program,  and  I  said  to  the  person  that  was  making 
the  presentation,  who  had  made  a  good  faith  effort — this  was  not 
a  question  of  competency  at  all — that  I  had  a  better  understanding 
of  what  was  going  on  after  reading  Elaine  Sciolino's  article  in  the 
New  York  Times. 

And  I  say  that  because  very  often  that's  the  case,  and  if — in 
other  words,  if  we  don't  get  a  presentation,  a  policymaker  doesn't 
get  a  presentation  that's  clear,  coherent,  and  as  understandable  as 
what  we're  getting  from  the  press,  two  things  happen.  Either  we 
are — the  demand  on  the  product  is  going  to  decline.  Why  bother  is 
the  question  that  will  come  to  mind.  Why  bother  going  through  the 
effort  of  gathering  all  this  if  the  presentation  isn't  as  good  as  what 
we  are  getting  from  open  source.  Or  we  will  falsely  acquire  an  un- 
derstanding based  upon  only  open  source  information. 

And  I  say  that  to  you  because  I  think  the  presentations  need  im- 
provement. 

Now,  one  of  the  problems  that  the  committee  has  seen  in  particu- 
lar this  year  is  that  as  we  downsize  agencies,  the  percentage  of  the 
budget  that  is  allocated  for  personnel  increases,  and  we  end  up 
short  on  the  R&D  side.  That  seems  to  me  to  be  a  problem  across 
the  board,  and  yet  we're  also  at  the  same  time  dealing  with,  you 
know,  I  think  serious  personnel  problems.  That  the  Agency,  any 
agency  and  organization  is  only  as  good  as  the  people  that  are  op- 
erating in  it.  And  I  am  curious  if  you  think  the  current  Civil  Serv- 
ice model  is  sufficient  in  order  to  be  able  to  both  recruit  and  retain 
inside  of  our  intelligence  operations. 

Mr.  Tenet.  Senator,  I  have  never  thought  about  the  current  Civil 
Service  model.  I  don't  have  a  view  about  that.  I  would  have  to 
think  about  that  a  little  bit. 

But  I  will  say  this  in  answer  to  your  question.  One  of  the  things 
that  it  seems  we  have  to  do  better  in  the  Intelligence  Community — 
and  I  really  believe  in — is  this  accessing  laterally  people  with  real 
expertise  in  issue  areas,  outside  experts,  people  who  have  worked 
in  business,  people  who  have  world  perspectives.  That's  the  way 
you  nurture  people  and  grow  them.  And  it  seems  to  me  one  of  the 


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things  we  need  to  do  is  bring  more  people  in  with  that  kind  of  pro- 
found experience  from  the  outside.  And  that  is  not  starting  some- 
one as  a  GS-6  and  making  them  an  SIS-6  because — I  am  really 
not  wedded  to  convention  about  how  we  get  good  people.  But  I 
think  one  of  the  things  we  need  to  do  is  adjust  our  personnel  prac- 
tices so  that  we  can  go  get  world  class  experts,  bring  them  in  for 
a  period  of  time,  have  them  mentor  our  people  so  that  they  have 
people  to  look  up  to. 

Vice  Chairman  Kerrey.  I  think  that  kind  of  an  idea  is  really 
worth  following  up  on,  because — and  you  know,  we  get  a  very  real 
time  example  of  what  happens  with  intelligence — I  am  not  sure  it's 
a  failure,  but  certainly  that  happens  when  you  have  got  a  blind 
spot  in  intelligence  with  a  downing  of  Captain  O'Grady's  plane. 
Again,  I  am  not  saying  that  we  have  an  intelligence  failure  there. 
But  when  you  send  a  pilot  out  to  cut  across  hostile  territory,  the 
possibility  of  being  ambushed  is  fairly  dramatic  and  fairly  real. 
And  it  seems  to  me  that  that  is  a  pretty  good  visual  image  to  apply 
to  other  areas  of  our  intelligence  effort.  And  there  is  no  substitute 
in  the  end  for  the  people  that  can  take  that  data,  those  I's  and  O's, 
or  whatever  it  is  that's  an  image  or  whatever,  and  convert  it  into 
something  you  bring  it  up  to  somebody  like  myself  or  the  President 
or  whoever  that  has  to  make  a  decision. 

So  I  hope  that  you'll — whether  it's  the  up  or  out  policy  or  some 
other  change,  I  hope  that  you'll  turn  to  this  committee  and  ask  for 
our  help  in  doing  whatever  you  need  to  do  to  keep  those  personnel 
sharp,  including  sending  the  word  down  and/or  up  the  food  chain 
to  let  people  understand  that  we  really  do  appreciate  the  risks  that 
they  take  for  us. 

Can  you  talk  to  me  a  bit — I  mean,  one  of  the  things  that  we  do 
when  we  have  secrecy  and  protect  secrecy,  and  I  think — I  think — 
I  know  and  feel  very  strongly  that  there  are  things  that  must  be 
kept  secret.  And  that  declaration,  by  the  way,  is  not  universally 
embraced,  and  that  conclusion  is  not  universally  embraced.  But 
when  we  keep  things  secret  from  our  potential  enemies,  or  when 
we  keep  things  secret  for  other  reasons,  we're  asking  to  be  trusted. 

Mr.  Tenet.  Absolutely. 

Vice  Chairman  Kerrey.  Because  in  our  society,  in  a  democracy, 
in  a  Government  of,  by  and  for  the  people,  we  depend  upon  the  citi- 
zens having  information  upon  which  they  can  make  decisions.  So 
we're  saying  basically,  the  contract  is,  trust  us,  we're  keeping  these 
things  secret  not  from  you  so  that  you  don't  get  the  information 
and  think  badly  of  us,  but  we're  keeping  the  information  from  a  po- 
tential adversary  so  that  these  operators  that  are  out  on  a  line  like 
Captain  O'Grady  or  whoever  it  is  that  is  out  there  operating  on  a 
line,  can  get  the  information  in  a  secure  fashion  so  as  to  be  able 
to  execute  whatever  mission  that  they  have  out  there  at  the  other 
end  of  the  tether  line. 

And  I  ask  you,  what's — what  would  your  conditions  have  to  be 
where  you  would  come  to  the  committee  and  you  say  look,  here's 
a  mistake  that's  been  made,  whether  it's  a  mistake  with  personnel 
or  a  mistake  with  an  appropriation  or  a  mistake  of  some  kind  or 
like  the  NRO  building  that  we  had  last  year,  where  we  say,  look, 
we've  got  to  take  this  to  the  American  people,  we've  got  to  open  the 
door,  we've  got  to  breathe  some  air  in  here,  otherwise  what  hap- 


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pens  is  we  don't  get  the  kind  of  accountability  required  to  make 
sure  that  we  adjust  and  improve  our  behavior. 

Mr.  Tenet.  Well,  Senator,  I  think  that  in  situations  like  that,  our 
responsibility  is  to  work  with  you  to  figure  out  ways  to  ensure  that 
in  doing  so  we  are  really  protecting  sources  and  methods.  I  mean, 
we  have  to  work  hard  to  do  that.  That's  basically  our  business.  And 
my  charter  will  be  to  protect  sources  and  methods.  But  we'll  do  it 
in  way  that's  realistic  and  you  don't  stand  on  it  forever  and  a  day, 
particularly  where  you  have  to  keep  the  trust  and  confidence  of  the 
American  people.  But  I  hope  we  can  work  out.  Senator,  when  you 
feel  that  we  have  such  an  occasion,  I  hope  that  we  will  be  respon- 
sive and  work  through  problems  like  that  together  in  a  way  that 
meets  a  higher  objective  from  time  to  time. 

Vice  Chairman  Kerrey.  I  notice  when  I  was  gone  the  chairman 
or  another  member  of  the  Committee  asked  you  if  you  agreed  with 
Director  Deutch  on  the  question  of  having  the  top  number  public 
and  you  said  that  there  was  probably  no  harm.  Is  that  correct? 

Mr.  Tenet.  Senator,  the  only  issue  I  raised  is  how  the  congres- 
sional budget  process  then  works  to  protect  that  top  line  from  fur- 
ther erosion.  That  is  something  we  should  all  be  concerned  about. 
It  is  not  far  from  there  to  components  and  programs  and  that's 
something  I  think  we  all  need  to  think  through  very,  very  carefully. 

Vice  Chairman  Kerrey.  Thank  you. 

Chairman  Specter.  Thank  you  very  much,  Senator  Kerrey. 

Senator  Shelby. 

Senator  Shelby.  I  don't  have  any  other  questions. 

Vice  Chairman  KERREY.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  have  a  statement  that 
Senator  Baucus  wanted  me  to  put  in  the  record. 

Chairman  SPECTER.  Senator  Baucus'  statement  will  be  admitted 
into  the  record,  and  the  record  will  be  open  for  other  statements 
and  my  full  statement  will  be  included  in  the  record  as  well,  with- 
out objection. 

[The  statements  of  Senator  Baucus  and  Chairman  Specter  fol- 
low:] 

Opening  Statement  of  Senator  Max  Baucus 

Thank  you  Mr.  Chgiirman.  I  also  would  like  to  add  my  personal  welcome  to  Mr. 
Tenet.  I  am  very  much  aware  of  Mr.  Tenet's  fine  work  on  behalf  of  the  Senate  Intel- 
ligence Committee  and  believe  that  the  President's  decision  to  nominate  him  as  the 
Deputy  Director  of  Central  Intelligence  is  an  excellent  one. 

Mr.  Tenet  you  left  an  important  legacy  when  you  departed  as  the  staff  director 
of  the  Senate  Intelligence  Committee.  You  demonstrated  an  outstanding  ability  to 
understand  the  things  that  drive  Congressional  and  public  interest,  and  you  clearly 
showed  your  acute  knowledge  of  intelligence  operations.  Now  you  are  going  to  put 
that  knowledge  to  the  test  as  you  take  on  an  extremely  important  position. 

I  recently  saw  in  the  newspaper  that  "intelligence  professionals"  at  the  CIA  are 
criticizing  the  new  leadership  put  into  place  by  Director  Deutch.  The  critics  seem 
to  believe  that  the  "pohtical  operatives"  are  incapable  of  understanding  and  direct- 
ing intelligence  operations.  If  the  report  is  true,  then  this  is  one  more  indicator  that 
some  people  at  the  CIA  just  don't  get  it. 

The  CIA  is  in  trouble.  It  is  in  trouble  because  it  has  lost  the  confidence  of  the 
American  people.  Too  many  recent  revelations  demonstrate  that  the  Agency  is  on 
the  wrong  track  and  is  in  danger  of  a  train  wreck.  Anyone  who  doubts  the  serious- 
ness of  the  problem  should  read  this  Committee's  report  on  the  Ames'  spy  case.  Yet, 
there  are  some  at  the  agency  who  believe  that  the  problems  either  are  not  particu- 
larly serious  or  are  isolated  are  rare. 

Equally  troubling  is  the  "intelligence  professionals"  engaging  in  political  discus- 
sions in  the  newspapers.  America's  Intelligence  Community  prides  itself  on  provid- 
ing its  unvarnished  assessments  to  the  political  leadership,  regardless  of  the  par- 


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tisan  politics.  But  now  it  appears  that  some  intelligence  people,  who  regard  them- 
selves as  intelligence  professionals,  are  engaging  in  a  public  debate  about  the  lead- 
ership of  their  organization.  To  me,  this  questions  their  self-described  identity  as 
professionals. 

Restoring  American  confidence  in  the  CIA  will  be  a  painstaking  task.  Mr.  Tenet, 
you  will  be  an  important  part  of  restoring  that  confidence.  If  you  and  Director 
Deutch  fail  at  this  task  then  I  am  very  concerned  about  how  long  the  Agency  can 
last.  And,  if  some  people  at  the  Agency  do  their  best  in  undermining  Director 
Deutch's  and  your  ability  to  lead  effectively,  then  they — and  not  you — vnW  have 
sealed  the  Agency's  fate.  Those  are  the  unfortunate  facts. 

So,  Mr.  Tenet,  I  welcome  you  and  want  you  to  know  that  you  and  the  Director 
have  my  full  support.  You  have  a  crucial  task  in  front  of  you,  and  I  am  confident 
that  you  both  have  the  ability  to  successfully  accomplish  it. 


Statement  by  Chairman  Arlen  Specter 

The  committee  meets  today  to  consider  the  nomination  of  George  J.  Tenet  to  be 
Deputy  Director  of  Central  Intelligence — the  number  two  position  in  the  U.S.  Intel- 
ligence Community.  Mr.  Tenet  is  certainly  no  stranger  to  this  committee,  having 
served  as  staff  director  for  over  four  years. 

Mr.  Tenet,  on  behalf  of  the  committee,  I  would  like  to  warmly  welcome  you,  your 
wife,  Stephanie;  your  son,  John  Michael;  and  the  rest  of  your  family  and  friends  who 
have  accompanied  you  here  today. 

Consideration  of  this  nomination  comes  at  a  pivotal  juncture  for  United  States  in- 
telligence. Today's  Intelligence  Community  is  challenged  to  define  itself  in  a  post- 
cold  war  world,  which  remains  dangerous  and  unstable — as  the  current  situation  in 
Bosnia  reflects.  Global  threats  from  international  terrorism,  the  world-wide  traffick- 
ing in  illicit  narcotics,  the  proliferation  of  weapons  of  mass  destruction,  and  the  ex- 
pansion of  international  organized  crime  networks  present  the  Intelligence  Commu- 
nity with  widely  dispersed  and  very  complicated  targets. 

The  challenge  for  the  new  Deputy  Director  of  Central  Intelligence  will  be  to  assist 
Director  Deutch  in  providing  accurate  and  timely  information  to  U.S.  policy  makers 
on  the  many  threats  to  U.S.  national  security.  We  wall  address  these  and  other  is- 
sues today  with  you,  Mr.  Tenet,  to  include: 

Restructuring  of  the  Intelligence  Community  in  Ught  of  today's  increasingly  con- 
strained budget  environment. 

The  impact  on  U.S.  national  security  as  a  result  of  the  number  of  espionage  cases 
in  recent  years  such  as  Aldrich  Ames,  Jonathan  Pollard,  Edward  Lee  Howard,  Larry 
Wu-Tai  Chin,  and  the  Walker- Whitworth  spy  ring.  These  are  just  a  few.  In  the  last 
10  years,  there  have  been  over  37  espionage  cases  involving  Americans. 

Revelations  in  the  past  year  have  caused  an  erosion  in  the  public's  confidence  in 
the  Intelligence  Community's  ability  to  do  its  job.  This  has  been  characterized  by 
a  lack  of  accountability  in  the  Aldrich  Ames  debacle,  charges  of  widespread  sex  dis- 
crimination at  the  CIA,  and  questions  about  past  intelligence  practices  in  Central 
America.  Many  Americans  have  a  sense — justified  or  not — of  an  outdated  and  inef- 
fective bureaucracy  which  is  resistant  to  change  and  reform. 

All  of  this  places  our  intelligence  apparatus  at  a  critical  crossroads.  The  Commis- 
sion on  the  roles  and  Capabilities  of  the  United  States  Intelligence  Community — 
which  was  initiated  by  this  committee  last  year — has  begun  its  review  of  the  current 
effectiveness  of  the  Intelligence  Community.  And  this  committee  and  our  house 
counterpart  committee  have  begun  reviews  of  the  Intelligence  Community  with  an 
eye  toward  making  recommendations  and  enacting  legislative  changes  to  fix  these 
problems.  But  I  would  stress  the  obvious:  the  primary  impetus  for  change  and  reor- 
ganization of  the  Intelligence  Community  must  come  from  the  leadership.  And  that 
leadership  must  come  from  you  and  Director  Deutch. 

That  is  the  challenge  you  are  facing,  Mr.  Tenet,  and  challenge  of  leadership.  The 
question  this  committee  will  ask  is  do  you  have  this  leadership  ability?  Also,  what 
will  be  your  role  as  the  Deputy  Director  of  Central  Intelligence? 

The  committee  is  anxious  to  hear  your  views  on  these  issues  facing  the  U.S.  Intel- 
ligence Community — and  how  you  intend  to  work  in  partnership  with  Director 
Deutch  in  leading  American  intelligence  into  the  21st  century. 

Chairman  SPECTER.  We  will  be  submitting  some  further  ques- 
tions, Mr.  Tenet,  and  at  this  time  we  are  going  to  go  into  closed 
session,  and  we  are  going  to  be  asking  you  to  come  back  90  days 
from  now  and  give  us  a  more  detailed  response  to  the  questions 


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which  we  have  asked  today  and  some  other  questions  which  we'll 
have  for  you  at  that  time. 

So  this  open  hearing  is  now  adjourned. 

Mr.  Tenet.  Thank  you,  Senator. 

[Thereupon,  at  3:45  p.m.,  the  hearing  was  adjourned.] 


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f\     United  States 


Office  of  Government  Ethics 

1201  New  York  Avenue,  NW  ,  Suite  500 
Washington.  DC  20005-5917 


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The  Honorable  Arlen  Spectier 

Chairman 

Select  Committee  on  Intelligence 

United  States  Senate 

Washington,  DC  20510-6475 

Dear  Mr.  Chairman: 

In  accordance  with  the  Ethics  in  Government  Act  of  1978,  I 
enclose  a  copy  of  the  financial  disclosure  report  filed  by 
George  J.  Tenet,  who  has  been  nominated  by  President  Clinton  for 
the  position  of  Deputy  Director,  Central  Intelligence  Agency. 

We  have  reviewed  the  report  and  have  also  obtained  advice  from 
the  Central  Intelligence  Agency  concerning  any  possible  conflict  in 
light  of  its  functions  and  the  nominee's  proposed  duties.  Also 
enclosed  is  a  letter  dated  May  22,  1995  from  John  A.  Rizzo, 
Designated  Agency  Ethics  Official,  Central  Intelligence  Agency, 
outlining  the  steps  Mr.  Tenet  will  take  to  avoid  conflicts  of 
interest . 

Based  thereon,  we  believe  that  Mr.  Tenet  is  in  compliance  with 
applicable  laws  and  regulations  governing  conflicts  of  interest. 


Sincerely, 

Stephen  D. 
Director 


Enclosures 


20-059  0-95-2 


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SELECT  COMMITTEE  ON  INTELLIGENCE 
UNITED  STATES  SENATE 


QUESTIONNAIRE  FOR  COMPLETION  BY 
PRESIDENTIAL   NOMINEES 


PART      A      -      BIOGRAPHICAL      INFORMATION 

1 .  NAME :       George   J.    Tenet 

2  .  DATE     AND     PLACE     OF     BIRTH ;       January    5,     1953    -    Flushing,    New   York 

3 .  MARITAL     STATUS :       Married 

4 .  SPOUSE ' S     NAME :        A.    Stephanie   Glakas-Tenet 

5.  SPOUSE'S     MAIDEN     NAME     IF     APPLICABLE:        A.    Stephanie    Glakas 

6.  NAMES     AND     AGES     OF     CHILDREN: 

NAME  AGE 

John   Michael    Tenet  8 


7.  EDUCATION      SINCE     HIGH      SCHOOL: 

INSTITUTION  DATES       ATTENDED      DEGREE       RECEIVED  DATE      Of      DEGREE 

Suny  College   at    CorCland  1971-1973 

Georgetovm   University  1973-1976  B.S.F.S.  May      1976 

Columbia   University  1976-1978  M.I. A.  May      1978 


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EMPLOYMENT   RECORD   (LIST   ALL   POSITIONS   HELD   SINCE   COLLEGE, 
INCLUDING   MILITARY   SERVICE.     INDICATE   NAME   OF   EMPLOYER, 
POSITION,   TITLE   OR   DESCRIPTION,   LOCATION  AND   DATES   OF 
EMPLOYMENT. 


EMPLOYER 


American  Hellenic  Institute 
Public  Affairs  Committee 


Solar  Energy  Industries 
Association 


Senator  John  Heinz 


POSITION/TITLE 

Director  of  Research 


LOCATION 

Washington,  DC 


Director,  International  Washington,  DC 
Programs 


Legislative  Assistant/   Washington,  DC 
Director 


U.S.  Senate  Select  Committee   Prof essional /Staff 
on  Intelligence  Member 


U.S.  Senate  Select  Committee   Staff  Director 
on  Intelligence 


Washington,  DC 
Washington,  DC 


DATES 

1978/79 

1979-82 


During   December    of    1992--served   on    President-elect   Clinton's   National 
Security   Transition   Team.       Co-directed    the   evaluation   of    the    Intelligence 
Community    for    the    President    elect. 


National    Security   Council 


Special   Assistant    to 
the    President    for 
National    Security 
Affairs    &   Senior 
Director    for 
Intelligence    Programs 


Washington,    DC 


1993- 

Present 


GOVERNMENT      EXPERIENCE       (INDICATE      EXPERIENCE      IN     OR 
ASSOCIATION     WITH      FEDERAL,       STATE      OR      LOCAL      GOVERNMENTS, 
INCLUDING      ADVISORY,       CONSULTATIVE,       HONORARY      OR      OTHER      PART- 
TIME      SERVICE      OR     POSITION.  DO     NOT     REPEAT      INFORMATION 
ALREADY      PROVIDED      IN     ANSWER     TO      QUESTION      8 )  : 


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10.   HONORS   AND   AWARDS   (PROVIDE   INFORMATION   ON   SCHOLARSHIPS, 
FELLOWSHIPS,   HONORARY   DEGREES,   MILITARY   DECORATIONS, 
CIVILIAN   SERVICE   CITATIONS,   OR   ANY   OTHER   SPECIAL 
RECOGNITION   FOR   OUTSTANDING   PERFORMANCE   OR   ACHIEVEMENT) 

Agency  Seal  Medallion  -  Central  Intelligence  Agency- 
Awarded  December  19  92 


11.   ORGANIZATIONAL   AFFILIATIONS   (LIST   MEMBERSHIPS   IN   AND 

OFFICES   HELD  WITHIN  THE   LAST   TEN  YEARS   IN  ANY   PROFESSIONAL 
CIVIC,   FRATERNAL,   BUSINESS,   SCHOLARLY,   CULTURAL,   CHARITABLE 
OR   OTHER   SIMILAR   ORGANIZATIONS)  : 

ORGANIZATION        OFFICE   HELD  DATES 

Steering  Committee,  Intelligence  Assessment  &  Policy  Project 
John  F.  Kennedy  School  of  Government,  Harvard  University 
(1989  -  Present) 

Study  Group  on  Angola,  Center  for  Strategic  Sc    International  Studies 
Washington,  DC  (1991-92) 


PUBLISHED  WRITINGS   AND   SPEECHES   (LIST  THE   TITLES, 
PUBLISHERS,   AND   PUBLICATION   DATES   OF   ANY   BOOKS,   ARTICLES, 
REPORTS   OR   OTHER   PUBLISHED   MATERIALS   YOU   HAVE   AUTHORED. 
ALSO  LIST   THE   TITLES   OF  ANY  PUBLIC   SPEECHES   YOU  HAVE  MADE 
WITHIN  THE  LAST   10  YEARS  FOR  WHICH  THERE   IS  A  TEXT  OR 
TRANSCRIPT.     TO   THE   EXTENT   POSSIBLE,   PLEASE   PROVIDE  A   COPY 
OF   EACH   SUCH   PUBLICATION,   TEXT   OR   TRANSCRIPT. 

Testimony  before  House  International  Economic  Policy  and  Trade 
Subcommittee  on  "US  International  Energy  Strategies"  for  commerical 
foreign  mar)cets  and  oil  importing  developing  countries;   Foreign 
Assistance  Legislation  for  FY  1982  Part  IV,  H381-79.1,  11  March  19= 


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PART   B   -   QUALIFICATION  AND   REFERENCES 

13.   QUALIFICATIONS   (DESCRIBE   WHY   YOU   BELIEVE   YOU  ARE   QUALIFIED 
TO  SERVE   IN  THE  POSITION  FOR  WHICH  YOU  HAVE  BEEN 
NOMINATED) : 

My  professional  experiences  in  Congressional  oversight  and  at  the 
National  Security  Council  provide  strong  preparation,  if  I  am 
confirmed,  for  the  position  of  Deputy  Director  of  Central 
Intelligence.  I  have  a  thorough  understanding  of  the  intelligence 
needs  of  senior  policymakers  and  military  commanders,  the  importance 
of  Congressional  oversight,  and  the  critical  issues  which  must  be 
addressed  to  strengthen  the  performance  of  U.S.  intelligence  in  the 
future . 

My  experience  at  the  Senate  Select  Committee  on  Intelligence  and  the 
National  Security  Council  has  touched  nearly  every  major  resource, 
technology,  analytical  and  operational  issue  which  have  confronted 
U.S.  intelligence.   For  nearly  a  decade,  I  have  sought  solutions  to 
many  difficult  problems  confronting  the  Intelligence  Community.   At 
the  National  Security  Council,  this  has  included  the  coordination  of 
Presidential  Decision  Directives  on  "Intelligence  Priorities"  and 
"U.S.  Counterintelligence  Effectiveness,"  and  the  management  of  the 
formulation  and  oversight  of  covert  action  initiatives  and  programs. 
At  the  Senate  Intelligence  Committee  it  included  initiatives  to 
enhance  human  intelligence  collection  and  work  on  comprehensive 
legislation  to  reorganize  U.S.  intelligence. 

Perhaps  most  important  to  my  ability  to  serve  as  Deputy  Director  of 
Central  Intelligence  is  the  fact  that  I  have  the  trust  and 
confidence  of  the  Director,  John  Deutch.   If  confirmed,  I  will  join 
him  in  a  determined  effort  to  restore  the  morale  of  what  I  believe 
is  the  best  work  force  in  the  United  States  Government.   We  will 
together  set  standards  of  excellence  and  performance,  which  over  the 
course  of  time,  will  ensure  that  U.S.  intelligence  continues  to 
provide  the  President,  senior  policymakers,  and  military  commanders 
with  the  unique  and  timely  intelligence  required  to  advance  the 
national  security  interests  of  the  United  States. 


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14.   REFERENCES   (PROVIDE   THE   NAMES   AND   BUSINESS   ADDRESSES   AND 
TELEPHONE   NUMBERS   OF   FIVE   INDIVIDUALS   WHOM   YOU   BELIEVE   ARE 
IN  A  POSITION  TO  COMMENT  ON  YOUR  QUALIFICATIONS   TO   SERVE   IN 
THE   POSITION  FOR  WHICH  YOU  HAVE   BEEN  NOMINATED.     INCLUDE 
THREE   INDIVIDUALS  WHO   HAVE  KNOWN  YOU  FOR  AT   LEAST  FIVE 
YEARS  )  : 


NAME 


BUSINESS       ADDRESS 


PHONE 


YEARS 
KNOWN 


1 .      Senator   David  Boren 


President's   Office 
University   of   Oklahoma 
660    Parrington   Oval 
Room    110 
Norman,    Oklahoma    73019 


405/325-4916 


Dr.  John  Deutch 


Director  of  Central  Intelligence 
Central  Intelligence  Agency 
Washington,  DC   20505 


703/482-6363 


Mr .  Anthony  Lake 


National  Security  Council 
1600  Pennsylvania  Avenue,  NW 
Washington  DC  20500 


202/456-9491 


Mr.  Eli  Jacobs 


641  Lexington  Avenue 

30  FL 

New  York,  NY   10022 


212/688-7110 


Mr .  David  Cohen 


Associate  Deputy  Director 

for  Intelligence 
Central  Intelligence  Agency 
Washington,  DC   20505 


703/482-4080 


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POLITICAL  AND   FOREIGN  AFFILIATIONS 


15.   POLITICAL   ACTIVITIES   (LIST   ANY   MEMBERSHIPS   OR   OFFICES   HELD 
IN  OR   FINANCIAL   CONTRIBUTIONS   OR   SERVICES   RENDERED  TO,   ANY 
POLITICAL   PARTY,   ELECTION   COMMITTEE,   POLITICAL   ACTION 
COMMITTEE,   OR   INDIVIDUAL   CANDIDATE   DURING   THE   LAST   TEN 
YEARS) : 

1994 

Friends  of  John  Deeken  (Candidate  for  Wisconsin  State  Senate) 
$100  Contribution  made  on  June  22,  1994 

Citizens  for  Sarbanes 

$100  Contribution  made  on  July  12,  1994 

1993 

Democratic  National  Committee 

$20  Contribution  made  on  May  10,  1993 

McCabe  for  City  Council  (Candidate  for  New  York  City  Council) 
$50  Contribution  made  on  May  10,  1993 

Maryland  Public  Interest  Research  Group  (PIRG) 
$20  Contribution  made  on  May  10,  1993 

1991 

Joan  Griffin  McCabe  for  City  Council 
$75  Contribution  made  on  May  10,  1991 

1989 

Clean  Water  Action 

$24  Contribution  made  on  June  20,  1989 

16.   CANDIDACY   FOR   PUBLIC   OFFICE   (FURNISH   DETAILS   OF   ANY 
CANDIDACY   FOR   ELECTIVE   PUBLIC   OFFICE) : 

N/A 

17  .   FOREIGN   AFFILIATIONS 

NOTE:    QUESTIONS   17A  AND  B  ARE  NOT  LIMITED  TO  RELATIONSHIPS 
REQUIRING   REGISTRATION   UNDER   THE   FOREIGN   AGENTS 

REGISTRATION  ACT.    QUESTIONS   17  A,   B,   AND  C  DO  NOT  CALL  FOR 
A   POSITIVE   RESPONSE   IF   THE   REPRESENTATION   OR   TRANSACTION 
WAS   AUTHORIZED   BY   THE   UNITED   STATES   GOVERNMENT   IN 
CONNECTION  WITH   YOUR   OR   YOUR   SPOUSE'S   EMPLOYMENT   IN 
GOVERNMENT   SERVICE. 


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HAVE  YOU  OR  YOUR  SPOUSE  EVER  REPRESENTED  IN  ANY  CAPACITY 
(E.G.,   EMPLOYEE,   ATTORNEY,   BUSINESS,   OR   POLITICAL 
ADVISER   OR   CONSULTANT),   WITH   OR  WITHOUT   COMPENSATION,   A 
FOREIGN  GOVERNMENT  OR  AN  ENTITY  CONTROLLED  BY  A  FOREIGN 
GOVERNMENT?    IF  SO,   PLEASE  FULLY  DESCRIBE   SUCH 
RELATIONSHIP. 

No 


IF  YOU  OR  YOUR  SPOUSE  HAS  EVER  BEEN  FORMALLY  ASSOCIATED 
WITH  A  LAW,   ACCOUNTING,   PUBLIC  RELATIONS   FIRM  OR  OTHER 
SERVICE   ORGANIZATION,   HAVE  ANY  OF  YOUR  OR  YOUR   SPOUSE'S 
ASSOCIATES   REPRESENTED,   IN  ANY   CAPACITY,   WITH   OR  WITHOUT 
COMPENSATION,   A  FOREIGN  GOVERNMENT  OR  AN  ENTITY 
CONTROLLED  BY  A  FOREIGN  GOVERNMENT?    IF   SO,   PLEASE  FULLY 
DESCRIBE   SUCH   RELATIONSHIP. 

No 


DURING  THE   PAST  TEN  YEARS,   HAVE  YOU  OR  YOUR  SPOUSE 
RECEIVED  ANY  COMPENSATION  FROM,   OR  BEEN   INVOLVED   IN  ANY 
FINANCIAL   OR   BUSINESS   TRANSACTIONS   WITH,   A   FOREIGN 
GOVERNMENT  OR  ANY  ENTITY  CONTROLLED  BY  A  FOREIGN 
GOVERNMENT?     IF   SO,   PLEASE   FURNISH  DETAILS. 

No 


HAVE  YOU  OR  YOUR  SPOUSE  EVER  REGISTERED  UNDER  THE 
FOREIGN  AGENTS   REGISTRATION  ACT?    IF   SO,   PLEASE   FURNISH 
DETAILS . 

No 


18.   DESCRIBE  ANY   LOBBYING  ACTIVITY  DURING  THE   PAST  TEN  YEARS, 
OTHER  THAN   IN  AN  OFFICIAL  U.S.   GOVERNMENT  CAPACITY,   IN 
WHICH  YOU  OR  YOUR  SPOUSE  HAVE  ENGAGED  FOR  THE  PURPOSE  OF 
DIRECTLY   OR   INDIRECTLY   INFLUENCING   THE   PASSAGE,   DEFEAT   OR 
MODIFICATION  OF   LEGISLATION  AT   THE  NATIONAL   LEVEL   OF 
GOVERNMENT,   OR  FOR  THE   PURPOSED  OF  AFFECTING  THE 
ADMINISTRATION  AND   EXECUTION  OF  NATIONAL   LAW  OR   PUBLIC 
POLICY. 

None 


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PART  D   -   FINANCIAL   DISCLOSURE   AND   CONFLICT   OF   INTEREST 

19.   DESCRIBE   ANY   EMPLOYMENT,   BUSINESS   RELATIONSHIP,   FINANCIAL 
TRANSACTION,   INVESTMENT,   ASSOCIATION   OR   ACTIVITY 
(INCLUDING,   BUT   NOT   LIMITED   TO,   DEALINGS   WITH   THE   FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT  ON  YOUR  OWN  BEHALF  OR  ON  BEHALF  OF  A  CLIENT), 
WHICH  COULD  CREATE,   OR  APPEAR  TO  CREATE,   A  CONFLICT  OF 
INTEREST   IN  THE   POSITION  TO  WHICH  YOU  HAVE   BEEN  NOMINATED. 

The  CIA  Designated  Agency  Ethics  Official,  in  a  letter  to  the  Office 
of  Government  Ethics  dated  22  May  1995,  determined  that  there  were 
no  unresolved  conflicts  of  interest  regarding  my  nomination  as  DDCI . 
AS  noted  on  Schedule  A  of  my  SF-278  financial  disclosure  form,  I 
hold  interests  in  common  stock  in  several  companies.   Four  of  these 
companies,  (AT&T,  NYNEX,  Bell  Atlantic,  and  Bell  South) ,  have 
contractual  relations  with  CIA.   I  have  pledged  to  disqualify  myself 
in  writing  from  participating  in  any  particular  matter  which  could 
have  a  direct  and  predictable  effect  on  the  financial  interests  of 
these  four  companies . 


20.   DO  YOU   INTEND  TO   SEVER  ALL  BUSINESS   CONNECTIONS  WITH  YOUR 
PRESENT   EMPLOYERS,   FIRMS,   BUSINESS   ASSOCIATES   AND/OR 
PARTNERSHIPS   OR   OTHER   ORGANIZATIONS   IN  THE   EVENT   THAT   YOU 
ARE  CONFIRMED  BY  THE   SENATE?    IF  NOT,   PLEASE  EXPLAIN. 

Yes 


21.   DESCRIBE   THE   FINANCIAL   ARRANGEMENTS   YOU  HAVE   MADE   OF   PLAN 
TO  MAKE,   IF   YOU  ARE   CONFIRMED,   IN  CONNECTION  WITH   SEVERANCE 
FORM  YOUR   CURRENT   POSITION.     PLEASE   INCLUDE   SEVERANCE   PAY, 
PENSION   RIGHTS,   STOCK   OPTIONS,   DEFERRED   INCOME   ARRANGEMENTS 
AND  ANY  AND  ALL  COMPENSATION  THAT  WILL  OR  MIGHT   BE   RECEIVED 
IN  THE  FUTURE  AS  A  RESULT  OF  YOUR  CURRENT  BUSINESS  OR 
PROFESSIONAL   RELATIONSHIPS. 

Not  Applicable 


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DO  YOU  HAVE  ANY  PLANS,   COMMITMENTS  OR  AGREEMENTS  TO  PURSUE 
OUTSIDE   EMPLOYMENT,   WITH   OR  WITHOUT   COMPENSATION,   DURING 
YOUR  SERVICE  WITH  THE  GOVERNMENT?    IF   SO,   PLEASE  FURNISH 
DETAILS . 

No 


23.    AS  FAR  AS  CAN  BE  FORESEEN,   STATE  YOUR  PLANS  AFTER 
COMPLETING   GOVERNMENT   SERVICE.     PLEASE   SPECIFICALLY 
DESCRIBE   ANY  AGREEMENTS    OR  UNDERSTANDINGS,   WRITTEN  OR 
UNWRITTEN,   CONCERNING   EMPLOYMENT   AFTER   LEAVING   GOVERNMENT 
SERVICE,   IN   PARTICULAR,   DESCRIBE   ANY   AGREEMENTS, 
tJNDERSTANDINGS   OR  OPTIONS   TO  RETURN  TO  YOUR  CURRENT 
POSITION. 

I  have  no  plans.  There  are  no  agreements  or  understandings  with 
regard  to  employment  after  government  service,  nor  are  there  any 
understandings  or  options  to  return  to  my  current  position. 


24.   IF  YOU  ARE  PRESENTLY   IN  GOVERNMENT  SERVICE,   DURING  THE  PAST 
FIVE  YEARS  OF  SUCH  SERVICE,   HAVE  YOU  RECEIVED  FROM  A  PERSON 
OUTSIDE   OF   GOVERNMENT  AN  OFFICER  OR  EXPRESSION  OF   INTEREST 
TO   EMPLOY  YOUR   SERVICES  AFTER   YOU   LEAVE  GOVERNMENT   SERVICE? 

No 


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IS  YOUR  SPOUSE  EMPLOYED?    IF  THE  NATURE  OF  THIS  EMPLOYMENT 
IS  RELATED  IN  ANY  WAY  TO  THE  POSITION  FOR  WHICH  YOU  ARE 
SEEKING   CONFIRMATION,   PLEASE   INDICATE   YOUR   SPOUSE'S 
EMPLOYER,   THE   POSITION  AND  THE  LENGTH  OF  TIME  THE  POSITION 
HAS  BEEN  HELD.    IF  YOUR  SPOUSE'S  EMPLOYMENT   IS  NOT  RELATED 
TO  THE  POSITION  TO  WHICH  YOU  HAVE  BEEN  NOMINATED,   PLEASE  SO 
STATE . 

No 


26.   LIST   BELOW  ALL   CORPORATIONS,   PARTNERSHIPS,   FOUNDATIONS, 

TRUSTS,   OR  OTHER  ENTITIES  TOWARD  WHICH  YOU  OR  YOUR  SPOUSE 

HAVE  FIDUCIARY  OBLIGATIONS  OR  IN  WHICH  YOU  OR  YOUR  SPOUSE 

HAVE  HELD  DIRECTORSHIPS   OR  OTHER  POSITIONS   OF  TRUST  DURING 
THE  PAST  FIVE  YEARS. 

NAME  OF   ENTITY      POSITION       DATES   HELD  SELF  OR   SPOUSE 

None 


LIST  ALL  GIFTS  EXCEEDING  $500   IN  VALUE  RECEIVED  DURING  THE 
PAST  FIVE  YEARS  BY  YOU,   YOUR  SPOUSE  OR  YOUR  DEPENDENTS. 
GIFTS  RECEIVED  FROM  RELATIVES  AND  GIFTS  GIVEN  TO  A  SPOUSE 
OR   DEPENDENT   TOTALLY   INDEPENDENT   OF   THEIR   RELATIONSHIP   TO 
YOU  NEED  NOT  BE   INCLUDED. 

None 


28.   LIST  ALL   SECURITIES,   REAL   PROPERTY,   PARTNERSHIP   INTERESTS, 
OR  OTHER   INVESTMENTS   OR  RECEIVABLES  WITH  A  CURRENT  MARKET 
VALUE   (OR,   IF  MARKET  VALUE   IS   NOT  ASCERTAINABLE,   ESTIMATED 
CURRENT  FAIR  VALUE)   IN  EXCESS  OF   $1,000.     (NOTE:    THE 
INFORMATION  PROVED  IN  RESPONSE  TO  SCHEDULE  A  OF  THE 
DISCLOSURE   FORMS  OF  THE  OFFICE  OF  GOVERNMENT  ETHICS  MAY  BE 
INCORPORATED   BY   REFERENCE,   PROVIDED   THAT   CURRENT   VALUATIONS 
ARE   USED.) 

DESCRIPTION   OF   PROPERTY  VALUE      METHOD   OF   VALUATION 

Reference  SF-278,  Executive  Branch  Public  Financial  Disclosure 
dated  27  April  1995. 


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29.   LIST  ALL   LOANS,   MORTGAGES,   OR  OTHER   INDEBTEDNESS   (INCLUDING 
ANY  CONTINGENT   LIABILITIES)   IN  EXCESS   OF   $10,000.     (NOTE: 
THE   INFORMATION  PROVIDED  IN  RESPONSE  TO  SCHEDULE  D  OF  THE 
DISCLOSURE   FORM  OF  THE  OFFICE  OF  GOVERNMENT  ETHICS  MAY  BE 
INCORPORATED   BY   REFERENCE,   PROVIDED   THAT   CONTINGENT 
LIABILITIES   ARE   ALSO   INCLUDED.) 


NATURE   OF   OBLIGATION 


NAME   OF   OBLIGEE 


Home  Mortgage  on 

10312  BellsMill  Terrace 

Potomac,  MD 


Chevy  Chase  FSI 
Loan  #121178-? 


$127,000 


3  0  .  ARE  YOU  OR  YOUR  SPOUSE  NOW  IN  DEFAULT  ON  ANY  LOAN,   DEBT  OR 
OTHER  FINANCIAL  OBLIGATION?    HAVE  YOUR  OR  YOUR  SPOUSE  BEEN 
IN  DEFAULT  ON  ANY  LOAN,   DEBT  OR  OTHER  FINANCIAL  OBLIGATION 
IN  THE  PAST  TEN  YEARS?    IF  THE  ANSWER  TO  EITHER  QUESTION  IS 
YES,   PLEASE   PROVIDE   DETAILS. 

No 


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31.      LIST     SOURCES     AND     AMOUNTS      OF     ALL      INCOME     RECEIVED     DURING     THE 
LAST      FIVE      YEARS,       INCLUDING      ALL      SALARIES,       FEES,       DIVIDENDS, 
INTEREST,       GIFTS,       RENTS,       ROYALTIES,       PATENTS,       HONORARIA,       AND 
OTHER     ITEMS     EXCEEDING     $500.  (IF     YOU     PREFER     TO     DO     SO,      COPIES     OF 

U.S.       INCOME      TAX     RETURNS      FOR     THESE     YEARS     MAY     BE      SUBSTITUTED 
HERE,       BUT      THEIR      SUBMISSION      IS      NOT      REQUIRED.) 


1988 

1989 

SALARY 

$65,808 

$79,750 

FEE       ROYALTIES 

DIVIDENDS 

405 

434 

INTEREST 

2,152 

2,514 

GIFTS 

RENTS 

6,145 

6,399 

OTHER-EXCEEDING 

$500 

TOTAL 

$74, 510 

$89, 097 

1990  1991  1992 

$79,750  $84,250  $91,625  $120,394 


458  467  488 

2,586  2,363  1,633 

8,367  7,771  10,262 

520 

CAPITAL  GAINS 

$95,661     $102,226     $133,297  - 


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32  .  IF  ASKED,  WOULD  YOU  PROVIDE  THE  COMMITTEE  WITH  COPIES  OF 
YOUR  AND  YOUR  SPOUSE '  S  FEDERAL  INCOME  TAX  RETURNS  FOR  THE 
PAST   THREE   YEARS? 

Yes 


3  3  .  HAVE  YOUR  FEDERAL  OR  STATE  TAX  RETURNS  BEEN  THE  SUBJECT  OF 

ANY  AUDIT  INVESTIGATION  OR  INQUIRY  AT  ANY  TIME?  IF  SO, 

PLEASE   PROVIDE   DETAILS,   INCLUDING  THE  RESULT  OF  ANY   SUCH 
PROCEEDING. 

No 


34.   ATTACH  A  SCHEDULE   ITEMIZING  EACH   INDIVIDUAL   SOURCE  OF 
INCOME  WHICH  EXCEEDS   $500.    IF  YOU  ARE  AN  ATTORNEY, 
ACCOUNTANT,   OR   OTHER   PROFESSIONAL,   ALSO  ATTACH  A   SCHEDULE 
LISTING  ALL  CLIENTS  AND  CUSTOMERS  WHOM  YOU  BILLED  MORE  THAN 
$50  0  WORTH  OF   SERVICES   DURING  THE  PAST  FIVE  YEARS. 

Reference  SF-278  Executive  Branch  Public  Financial  Disclosure 
dated  27  April,  1995 


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DO   YOU   INTEND  TO   PLACE  YOUR  FINANCIAL   HOLDINGS   AND  THOSE  OF 
YOUR   SPOUSE   AND   DEPENDENT   MEMBERS   OF   YOUR   IMMEDIATE 
HOUSEHOLD   IN  A  BLIND  TRUST?    IF  YES,   PLEASE   FURNISH 
DETAILS . 

No 


36.   EXPLAIN   HOW   YOU   WILL   RESOLVE   ANY  ACTUAL   OR   POTENTIAL 

CONFLICTS   OF   INTEREST   THAT   MAY   BE  INDICATED   BY   YOUR 

RESPONSE   TO  THE  QUESTIONS   IN  THIS  PART  OR   IN  PART  C 
(QUESTIONS   15   THROUGH   35) . 

I  have  pledged  to  disqualify  myself  m  writing  from  participation  m 
any  particular  matter  which  could  have  a  direct  and  predictable 
effect  on  the  financial  interests  of  four  CIA  contractors  in  which  I 
hold  stock;   AT&T,  I^TfNEX,  Bell  Atlantic,  and  Bell  South.   In 
addition,  in  the  event  I  am  asked  to  participate  in  a  particular 
matter  that  will  have  a  direct  and  predictable  effect  on  my  other 
financial  interests  listed  on  Schedule  A  of  my  SF-278,  I  have  agreed 
to  disqualify  myself  in  writing  from  participation  in  such  matters. 

To  ensure  that  I  do  not  take  official  action  on  matters  for  which  I 
have  executed  a  written  disqualification  statement,  CIA  will 
establish  a  screening  arrangement.   This  screening  arrangement  will 
consist  of  a  memorandum  to  all  senior  officials  at  CIA  notifying 
them  that  I  have  been  disqualified  from  taking  action  on  particular 
matters  affecting  the  four  companies  listed  above.   My  Executive 
Assistants  also  will  be  given  appropriate  instructions  to  screen 
these  matters  so  that  they  are  not  brought  to  my  attention  for 
action . 


ETHICAL  MATTERS 


HAVE  YOU  EVER  BEEN  DISCIPLINED  OR  CITED  FOR  A  BREACH  OF 
ETHICS   FOR   UNPROFESSIONAL   CONDUCT   BY,   OR   BEEN   THE   SUBJECT 
OF   A   COMPLAINT   TO,   ANY   COURT   ADMINISTRATIVE   AGENCY, 
PROFESSIONAL   ASSOCIATION,   DISCIPLINARY   COMMITTEE   OR   OTHER 
PROFESSIONAL   GROUP?     IF   SO,   PROVIDE   DETAILS. 


No 


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38.   HAVE   YOU   EVER   BEEN   INVESTIGATED,   HELD,   ARRESTED,   OR   CHARGED 
BY  ANY   FEDERAL,   STATE   OR   OTHER   LAW  ENFORCEMENT  AUTHORITY 
FOR  VIOLATION   OF   ANY   FEDERAL   STATE,   COUNTY,   OR  MUNICIPAL 
LAW,   REGULATION,   OR   ORDINANCE,   OTHER   THAN  A  MINOR   TRAFFIC 
OFFENSE,   OR  NAMED  EITHER  AS  A  DEFENDANT  OR  OTHERWISE   IN  ANY 
INDICTMENT   OR   INFORMATION  RELATING   TO   SUCH   VIOLATION?     IF 
SO,   PROVIDE   DETAILS. 

No 


39.   HAVE  YOU  EVER  BEEN  CONVICTED  OF  OR  ENTERED  A  PLEA  OF  GUILTY 
OR  NOLO  CONTENDERE  TO  ANY  CRIMINAL  VIOLATION  OTHER  THAN  A 
MINOR  TRAFFIC  OFFENSE?    IF  SO,   PROVIDE  DETAILS. 


No 


40.   ARE  YOU  PRESENTLY  OR  HAVE  YOU  EVER  BEEN  A  PARTY   IN  INTEREST 
IN  ANY   ADMINISTRATIVE   AGENCY   PROCEEDING   TO   CIVIL 
LITIGATION?     IF   SO,   PROVIDE   DETAILS. 


No 


HAVE  YOU  BEEN   INTERVIEWED  OR  ASKED  TO   SUPPLY  ANY 
INFORMATION  AS   A  WITNESS   OR   OTHERWISE   IN   CONNECTION  WITH 
ANY   CONGRESSIONAL   INVESTIGATION,   FEDERAL   OR   STATE   AGENCY 
PROCEEDING,   GRAND   JURY   INVESTIGATION,   OR   CRIMINAL   OR   CIVIL 
LITIGATION   IN  THE   PAST  TEN  YEARS?    IF   SO,   PROVIDE  DETAILS. 

In  1995,  I  was  deposed  in  my  official  capacity  by  plaintiffs' 
counsel  iri  the  case  of  Armstrong,  et  al  v.  Executive  Office  of  the 
President,  et  al .   My  statement  addressed  the  scope  of  my 
responsibilities  as  Special  Assistant  to  the  President  and  Senior 
Director  for  Intelligence  Programs  on  the  NSC  Staff. 


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42.   HAS  ANY    BUSINESS  OF  WHICH  YOU  ARE  OR  WERE  AN  OFFICER, 
DIRECTOR   OR   PARTNER   BEEN  A   PARTY   TO  ANY  ADMINISTRATIVE 
AGENCY   PROCEEDING   OR   CRIMINAL   OR   CIVIL   LITIGATION   RELEVANT 
TO  THE  POSITION  TO  WHICH  YOU  HAVE  BEEN  NOMINATED?    IF  SO, 
PROVIDE   DETAILS.     (WITH  RESPECT  TO  A  BUSINESS   OF  WHICH  YOU 
ARE   OR  WERE   AN  OFFICER,   YOU  NEED  ONLY  CONSIDER   PROCEEDINGS 
AND  LITIGATION  THAT   OCCURRED  WHILE   YOU  WERE  AN  OFFICER  OF 
THAT   BUSINESS.) 


No 


PART   F   -   ADDITIONAL   INFORMATION 

4  3.  DESCRIBE   IN  YOUR   OWN  WORDS   THE   CONCEPT  OF   CONGRESSIONAL 

OVERSIGHT   OF   U.S.   INTELLIGENCE   ACTIVITIES.     IN   PARTICULAR, 
CHARACTERIZE   WHAT   YOU  BELIEVE   TO   BE   THE   OBLIGATIONS   OF   THE 
DIRECTOR   OF   CENTRAL   INTELLIGENCE,   THE   DEPUTY   DIRECTOR   OF 
CENTRAL   INTELLIGENCE,   AND   THE   INTELLIGENCE   COMMITTEES   OF 
THE   CONGRESS   RESPECTIVELY   IN   THIS   PROCESS. 

As  the  new  Director  of  Central  Intelligence  has  noted,  secrecy  and 
the  activities  of  our  Intelligence  Community  may  not  rest 
comfortably  in  an  open,  democratic  society.   Therefore,  the 
Congressional  oversight  process  plays  an  essential  role  in 
maintaining  the  trust  and  confidence  of  the  American  people  in 
secret  intelligence  gathering  activities.   Effective  oversight 
allows  the  elected  representatives  of  our  people  to  ensure  that 
activities  undertaken  in  the  name  of  our  country's  national  security 
interests  are  well  managed,  comply  with  our  laws,  and  are  consistent 
with  our  democratic  values. 

The  oversight  committees  of  the  Congress  provide  an  important  and 
secure  bipartisan  forum  for  the  President  and  his  representatives  to 
share  sensitive  information.   Historically,  the  oversight  process 
has  provided  constant  support  for  the  steady  growth  and  improvement 
of  our  intelligence  capabilities.   The  continuity  of  purpose  and 
bipartisanship  which  have  characterized  the  oversight  process  for 
many  years  represent  a  great  strength  of  our  democratic  system. 

If  confirmed  to  the  position  of  Deputy  Director  of  Central 
Intelligence,  I,  along  with  the  Director  of  Central  Intelligence 
will  vigorously  adhere  to  our  statutory  responsibilities  to  keep  the 
Committees  fully  and  currently  informed  about  covert  activities, 
other  significant  anticipated  intelligence  activities,  and 
intelligence  failures. 


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However,  while  important,  these  statutory  responsibilities  should 
not  be  the  sole  basis  of  our  dialogue  with  our  oversight  Committees. 
We  are  today  on  the  verge  of  rethinking  the  role,  missions,  and 
organization  of  our  Intelligence  Community.   In  order  to  ensure  that 
we  continue  to  maintain  an  intelligence  capability  that  is  second  to 
none,  the  President,  the  Congress,  the  Director  of  Central 
Intelligence,  and  senior  leaders  of  the  Intelligence  Community  must 
interact  on  the  basis  of  candor,  bipartisanship,  and  mutual  trust. 

If  confirmed,  I,  along  with  the  Director  of  Central  Intelligence, 
will  work  to  ensure  that  these  principles  are  never  allowed  to 
erode.   The  American  people  and  the  men  and  women  of  U.S. 
intelligence  deserve  no  less. 


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AFFIDAVIT 


-J.  George  J.   Tenet 


DO  SWEAR  THAT  THE  ANSWERS  I 

HAVE  PROVIDED  TO  THIS  QUESTIONNAIRE  ARE,  TO  THE  BEST  OF  MY  KNOWLEDGE, 
ACCURATE  AND  COMPLETE. 


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VOTE  ON  NOMINATION  OF  GEORGE  J.  TENET 
TO  BE  DEPUTY  DIRECTOR  OF  CENTRAL  IN- 
TELLIGENCE 


WEDNESDAY,  JUNE  21,  1995 

Chairman  Specter.  We  will  vote  on  the  nomination  of  Mr. 
George  Tenet  to  be  the  Deputy  Director  of  Central  Intelligence.  We 
now  have  the  nine  members  of  a  quorum. 

Mr.  Tenet's  name  was  submitted  to  the  committee  on  May  19. 
The  sworn  answers  to  our  questions  were  received  by  the  commit- 
tee on  June  1,  and  on  May  31  we  had  his  financial  statement. 

The  chairman  and  the  vice  chairman  reviewed  the  FBI  investiga- 
tion. And  I  might  say  on  that,  we  have  written  to  the  executive 
branch  asking  for  broader  disclosure  of  the  FBI  report  to  members. 
We  think  they  ought  to  have  access  to  it.  And  also  one  senior  staff- 
er on  each  side. 

We  held  the  confirmation  hearing  of  Mr.  Tenet  on  June  14.  My 
own  view  is  that  he  is  very  well  qualified,  has  an  excellent  back- 
ground and  perspective  and  I  think  he'll  be  a  real  addition  and  a 
major  help  to  you. 

On  his  nomination.  Senator  Kerrey,  any  comments? 

Vice  Chairman  Kerrey.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  think  it  is  time  to  put 
Mr.  Tenet  to  work. 

Chairman  Specter.  Would  anybody  else  on  the  committee  care 
to  say  anything  about  Mr.  Tenet  before  we  take  a  vote? 

Then  the  Clerk  will  call  the  roll. 

Mrs.  McGhee.  Mr.  Lugar. 

Senator  Lugar.  Aye. 

Mrs.  McGhee.  Mr.  Shelby. 

Senator.  Shelby.  Aye. 

Mrs.  McGhee.  Mr.  DeWine. 

Chairman  Specter.  Aye  by  proxy. 

Mrs.  McGhee.  Mr.  Kyi. 

Mr.  Inhofe. 

Senator  Inhofe.  Aye. 

Mrs.  McGhee.  Mrs.  Hutchison. 

Chairman  Specter.  Aye  by  proxy. 

Mrs.  McGhee.  Mr.  Mack. 

Chairman  Specter.  Aye  by  proxy. 

Mrs.  McGhee.  Mr.  Cohen. 

Senator  Cohen.  Aye. 

Mrs.  McGhee.  Mr.  Glenn. 

Senator  Glenn.  Aye. 

Mrs.  McGhee.  Mr.  Bryan. 

Senator  Bryan.  Aye. 

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Mrs.  McGhee.  Mr.  Graham. 

Mr.  Kerry  of  Massachusetts. 

Vice  Chairman  Kerrey.  Aye  by  proxy. 

Mrs.  McGhee.  Mr.  Baucus. 

Vice  Chairman  Kerrey.  Aye  by  proxy. 

Mrs.  McGhee.  Mr.  Johnston. 

Vice  Chairman  Kerrey.  Aye  by  proxy. 

Mrs.  McGhee.  Mr.  Robb. 

Senator  ROBB.  Aye. 

Mrs.  McGhee.  Mr.  Kerrey  of  Nebraska. 

Vice  Chairman  Kerrey.  Aye. 

Mrs.  McGhee.  Mr.  Specter. 

Chairman  Specter.  Aye. 

And  the  tally  is? 

Mrs.  McGhee.  Fifteen  yeas,  no  nays. 

Chairman  Specter.  Fifteen  in  favor,  none  opposed. 

Senator  Glenn.  Mr.  Chairman,  before  we  leave  George  Tenet, 
will  the  vote  be  kept  open  so  that  others 

Vice  Chairman  Kerrey.  Senator  Graham  is  here  and  would  like 
to- 


Senator  GRAHAM  of  Florida.  Mr.  Chairman,  could  I  be  recorded 
as  aye. 

Chairman  Specter.  Well,  of  course. 

Senator  Graham  may  be  recorded  as  voting  aye,  and  we  will  keep 
the  record  open  for  the  balance  of  the  day. 

And  for  the  record  I  report  that  Senator  Kyi  has  now  voted  for 
Mr.  Tenet,  so  that  makes  it  unanimous,  17  to  nothing. 


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